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    #51
    Originally posted by PorterIsFuture View Post
    Alexander is a WW fighter now. Abregu is a WW fighter. What's your beef with Bradley? Want him to fight Thurman or Porter and then say that they aren't proven?

    It's a great win for PAC. A great win whether you wanna consider it JWW or WW. Same thing doesn't matter whether Floyd had a victory over Canelo @ 154(152) or at 160.
    You got the wrong man my friend. Bradley fought Alexander at 140 not welterweight, Bradley didnt have a fight at welterweight before the Pac fight and after the Pac fight he still has not fought a welterweight. no beef just the truth. And thurman beats bradley for the record.

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      #52
      Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh View Post
      Bradley has not fought a full sized welterweight, nor has bradley fought a welter weight contender. Pac and marquez dont count because 1 marquez is not a welterweight and 2 pac is but pac is not full sized. Bradley is a good win for Pac but its not a good welterweight win. Also Bradley didnt even fight anybody at welterweight to get the Pac fight, and even after, Bradley still hasnt fought a real welterweight.
      There is no such thing as "full size" as long as they are on the same weight. Full size crap argument only use when a boxer lost to a certain boxer bigtime. Tyson is a champion in HW, but no one claims that Tyson is not a full size HW during his run.

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        #53
        Originally posted by PorterIsFuture View Post
        Alexander is a WW fighter now. Abregu is a WW fighter. What's your beef with Bradley? Want him to fight Thurman or Porter and then say that they aren't proven?

        It's a great win for PAC. A great win whether you wanna consider it JWW or WW. Same thing doesn't matter whether Floyd had a victory over Canelo @ 154(152) or at 160.
        And as I said Pac deserves credit for the win and the B.S. loss for that matter. But lets not sugar coat the fact that Pac has not fought a legit welterweight contender since Miguel Cotto and that was at 145 lbs. A fight which i give Pac the most credit for and in my opinion is probably the greatest win of his career.

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          #54
          Originally posted by Det. Conan View Post
          There is no such thing as "full size" as long as they are on the same weight. Full size crap argument only use when a boxer lost to a certain boxer bigtime. Tyson is a champion in HW, but no one claims that Tyson is not a full size HW during his run.
          Thats your opinion but your also wrong Tyson was and to this day is considered a small heavy weight, and so was Ruiz and David Tua, so was Joe Frasier

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            #55
            Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh View Post
            And as I said Pac deserves credit for the win and the B.S. loss for that matter. But lets not sugar coat the fact that Pac has not fought a legit welterweight contender since Miguel Cotto and that was at 145 lbs. A fight which i give Pac the most credit for and in my opinion is probably the greatest win of his career.
            Who's the most legit WW boxer that has an enticing big names, can bring lots of money, not under contract w/ Al Haymen or TR's rival promotion?

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              #56
              Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh View Post
              Thats your opinion but your also wrong Tyson was and to this day is considered a small heavy weight, and so was Ruiz and David Tua, so was Joe Frasier
              Yeah they are small HW, Just like Pac & Duran who considered most as small WW. Its just beacause of their physical attributes. "But i think there's no such thing as "not full size". If there is... we can say Margarito, Paul William & Hearns are "Over sized" Welterweight? lol

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                #57
                Originally posted by Det. Conan View Post
                Who's the most legit WW boxer that has an enticing big names, can bring lots of money, not under contract w/ Al Haymen or TR's rival promotion?
                That doesn't really matter, Im not discussing the boxing landscape, Im pointing out the reality that Pac has not fought a legit welterweight contender since defeating Cotto at 145. If Pac cant get fights because of the boxing landscape then that is his fault for re-signing with the same promoter and/or not forcing his promoters hand. Do you really think that if Pac told Arum this are the guys i want you to target, Arum would say no? If your only response is well those are the only guys he can fight its a bad argument. Because Martinez did say he would go down to 150 to fight Pac years ago, and Pac did say he would fight Cotto at 150, So why couldnt he fight Martinez? Because of his promoter wanting to keep everything in house?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Det. Conan View Post
                  Yeah they are small HW, Just like Pac & Duran who considered most as small WW. Its just beacause of their physical attributes. "But i think there's no such thing as "not full size". If there is... we can say Margarito, Paul William & Hearns are "Over sized" Welterweight? lol
                  Yes they were oversized. Damn are you new to boxing? I mean really, and i dont remember anyone ever saying duran was a small welterweight, never.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by KnickTillDeaTh View Post
                    That doesn't really matter, Im not discussing the boxing landscape, Im pointing out the reality that Pac has not fought a legit welterweight contender since defeating Cotto at 145. If Pac cant get fights because of the boxing landscape then that is his fault for re-signing with the same promoter and/or not forcing his promoters hand. Do you really think that if Pac told Arum this are the guys i want you to target, Arum would say no? If your only response is well those are the only guys he can fight its a bad argument. Because Martinez did say he would go down to 150 to fight Pac years ago, and Pac did say he would fight Cotto at 150, So why couldnt he fight Martinez? Because of his promoter wanting to keep everything in house?
                    Maybe because Cotto is not a full sized JMW. lol. But kidding aside, there are no WW opponents for Pac that can bring good money on the table. Thats basicallly same to Floyd. He fought Guerreo a JWW champion & not yet resided & campaining for a longer time to consider him a "Full legit" WW. Canelo a full JMW that need to have a catch weight, Maidana a proven JWW that collected a win in WW from a comedy king Broner who almost defeated by a feather fisted Malignaggi in his very 1st fight in WW.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by ADP02 View Post
                      Floyd is at 147, not 140: But wasn't it Floyd that left HBO? Hasn't Floyd also fought in other divisions? Can't Manny fight at 140 then come back to fight Floyd at 147 WHEN FLOYD IS FINALLY READY?

                      As for those names you listed.
                      Berto - had a weak resume and lost as soon as he stepped up in his opponents. People would say, who did Berto fight that people thought he was that good?

                      Guerrero was making noise? When? Even Floyd said "Who is Guerrero? Who has he beat? ......... People would say, who did Guerrero fight that people thought he was that good?

                      Thurman - still needs to step it up. Manny beats him then ..... People will say, who did Thurman fight that people thought he was that good?

                      Maidana - People will say, who did Maidana beat that people thought he was that good? He lost to Devon and Floyd and was having trouble against others but beat them because he was allowed to fight with illegal gloves (according to Floyd and his fans)


                      The funniest part about what you wrote is Manny's last fight was against someone who was ranked high at WW and ranked high P4P. Yet you shrug it off and bring up those names above which when you analyze it a bit more, its laughable!


                      Finally, at least Manny says that he wants to fight Floyd. Floyd can't even get himself to say that. Not even for giggles!

                      Also, you make it sound like the war was over years ago .... we are just beginning to see the results of it (some fights) now.




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                      Lame excuses because Arum/Roach said that they were choosing between Berto, Mosley and Marquez and they chose Mosley who previously Arum said wasn't even worth the time after the way he performed against Mora. You're down playing Guerrero and such but who's Algeri? Vargas in the near future? Why are these names even mentioned? Manny could have even fought Ortiz at WW. Manny hasn't fought anyone since Cotto worth mentioning.

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