Comments Thread For: Team Andre Ward: Golovkin's Side is Running For Cover

[megas30]

Some please explain to me why GGG deserves 50-50 when Ward has beaten the likes of Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Abraham, Bika, and Miranda? His last fight proved dude wasn't the draw they thought he was.

[Mike Haynes]

Maybe if Ward was fighting during the lawsuit.....there would be evidence of Goosen violating the Ali Act. In one breath, he's talking like he is being held up by Goosen and the next breath the talking like it's anytime/anywhere.

Ward needs to go to 175. He's not gonna change his style - he needs to test himself and see if it works on heavier dudes....let whatever changes the heavier dudes put on him to make him adjust. THEN we can call him great and pay to see this guy.

[HeroBando]

Some please explain to me why GGG deserves 50-50 when Ward has beaten the likes of Kessler, Froch, Dawson, Abraham, Bika, and Miranda? His last fight proved dude wasn't the draw they thought he was.

I don't think it does but he probably will soon, especially if Ward stays awol. At this point it'll take good money for him to fight at 168. Chavez' people offered that, Froch could if he wanted the fight. Wards people somehow expect the B sider to make the offer

[Elroy1]

Funny how always the boxer who is **** scared is always the one trying to talk the public into believing it's the other way around.

Ward is petrified of GGG, he knows he can't beat him anymore and really has no further interest in boxing. He just wants to cash out 1 last time. So obvious.

Imo It should be 75% Golovkin, 25% Ward. Golovkin is the relevant factor now in the division, he's the one to beat, not Ward.

But this fight will never happen. Ward will continue to duck indefinitely!

[HEND]

Funny how always the boxer who is **** scared is always the one trying to talk the public into believing it's the other way around.

Ward is petrified of GGG, he knows he can't beat him anymore and really has no further interest in boxing. He just wants to cash out 1 last time. So obvious.

Imo It should be 75% Golovkin, 25% Ward. Golovkin is the relevant factor now in the division, he's the one to beat, not Ward.

But this fight will never happen. Ward will continue to duck indefinitely!

Answer my former questions!
You state (IMO) bullshits like facts.
Ward didn't show any sign of decline on his last fight and he is still younger than GGG.

If you already mentioned "facts" on your former post.
I write you some real facts:

Ward: turned to pro in 2004,
formerly WBC champ at 168, now "just" WBA super champ at 168
he has a lawsuit, legal issues and all of these problems,
he is very inactive plus he is younger than GGG,

so if GGG would be so much better he has probably way better resume. Doesn't he? But oh wait. Take a look at GGG's carreer so far.

GGG:
Turned to pro in 2006 (17 month later than Ward), 32 years old (two years older than Ward), his biggest achievment: Middleweight belt.

And here comes the bottom line:
Ward's resume (te notable ones): Miranda, Allan Green, Bika, Kessler, Froch, Dawson
GGG's resume: Macklin, Rosado, Custis Stevens, Geale

So though he turned pro 17 months earlier (he was already super six champ six years later) Ward is two years younger than GGG and he is very inactive, he has just two fights in the last two years, he has legal issues, etc... And STILL has a way better resume and achievments than Golovkin, who's trying to clean out a weak ass MW division (this MW div. compare to the now and the five years ago SMW is a joke) at 32. So it seems like Ward can't be inactive enough to have a not better resume and achievments than Golovkin.
So whose critic is this really?

[carloscruz10009]

Answer my former questions!
You state (IMO) bullshits like facts.
Ward didn't show any sign of decline on his last fight and he is still younger than GGG.

If you already mentioned "facts" on your former post.
I write you some real facts:

Ward: turned to pro in 2004,
formerly WBC champ at 168, now "just" WBA super champ at 168
he has a lawsuit, legal issues and all of these problems,
he is very inactive plus he is younger than GGG,

so if GGG would be so much better he has probably way better resume. Doesn't he? But oh wait. Take a look at GGG's carreer so far.

GGG:
Turned to pro in 2006 (17 month later than Ward), 32 years old (two years older than Ward), his biggest achievment: Middleweight belt.

And here comes the bottom line:
Ward's resume (te notable ones): Miranda, Allan Green, Bika, Kessler, Froch, Dawson
GGG's resume: Macklin, Rosado, Custis Stevens, Geale

So though he turned pro 17 months earlier (he was already super six champ six years later) Ward is two years younger than GGG and he is very inactive, he has just two fights in the last two years, he has legal issues, etc... And STILL has a way better resume and achievments than Golovkin, who's trying to clean out a weak ass MW division (this MW div. compare to the now and the five years ago SMW is a joke) at 32. So it seems like Ward can't be inactive enough to have a not better resume and achievments than Golovkin.
So whose critic is this really?

Good dam post... People act like GGG IS 24 years old. Dude is same age as cotto.

[Citizen Koba]

so as long as the risk doesn't outweight the reward? what makes GGG any different from pacquiao, floyd or any of the cash cow guys? he picks his fights just like them(except he isn't even close to a cash cow). so lets not act as if he's willing to fight anybody from 154-168 because he's not.

i also remember quillin get major s*** for not fighting ggg(an hbo fighter) even after he joined showtime.

Did Loeffler and Sanchez say 'Golovkin will automatically fight anyone who mentions his name at the time of the opponents choosing regardless of whether the fight makes any money or progresses his career'? - No, actually it was 'we're open to offers from anyone from 154 - 168'.

Naturally they would choose among any offers those which made the most sense, both financially and with the longer term interest in building his career to maximise future earnings.

Myself I've never taken the 154 - 168 thing very seriously. It almost goes without saying that a top fighter will take top money fights at any weight they can comfortably make - and the 'He'll fight anyone' statement in boxing is so common as to be virtually a cliche.

Personally I'd like to see Golovkin fight Ward, and I'm confident that two will fight when the circumstances are right, but it's hard to argue that now is a good time.

Quite correctly GGGs team are sceptical of the fight happening given Wards legal issues, furthermore the fight simply isn't big enough to justify Golovkin potentially losing to Ward at a time while he still building his career momentum.

Potentially in the future Golovkin - Ward could be a PPV level fight. Right now, with Ward being guaranteed $1.75 mil per fight, Golovkin could very well end up getting only his usual 500-700K - or even less for the toughest opponent he may ever face.

Furthermore are HBO really gonna want to take this fight on anyway? Ward's popularity doesn't really justify his paydays - I think they hoped to build him into a PPV kinda star, but inactivity due to injuries and legal battles have made him something of a liability.

Why would they want to risk an active and increasingly popular KO artist into who they've trying hard to build against a fighter who never fights and costs too much when he does?

[bojangles1987]

Answer my former questions!
You state (IMO) bullshits like facts.
Ward didn't show any sign of decline on his last fight and he is still younger than GGG.

If you already mentioned "facts" on your former post.
I write you some real facts:

Ward: turned to pro in 2004,
formerly WBC champ at 168, now "just" WBA super champ at 168
he has a lawsuit, legal issues and all of these problems,
he is very inactive plus he is younger than GGG,

so if GGG would be so much better he has probably way better resume. Doesn't he? But oh wait. Take a look at GGG's carreer so far.

GGG:
Turned to pro in 2006 (17 month later than Ward), 32 years old (two years older than Ward), his biggest achievment: Middleweight belt.

And here comes the bottom line:
Ward's resume (te notable ones): Miranda, Allan Green, Bika, Kessler, Froch, Dawson
GGG's resume: Macklin, Rosado, Custis Stevens, Geale

So though he turned pro 17 months earlier (he was already super six champ six years later) Ward is two years younger than GGG and he is very inactive, he has just two fights in the last two years, he has legal issues, etc... And STILL has a way better resume and achievments than Golovkin, who's trying to clean out a weak ass MW division (this MW div. compare to the now and the five years ago SMW is a joke) at 32. So it seems like Ward can't be inactive enough to have a not better resume and achievments than Golovkin.
So whose critic is this really?

Golovkin's resume is hardly Golovkin's fault. Ward never had trouble getting anyone in the ring with him. His promoter did an outstanding job landing him fights.

Golovkin is just now getting middleweights who want to fight him, and is still having trouble landing good fights.

If Golovkin and his team had their way, he'd have fought Martinez, Murray, Quillin, and Chavez alongside the fighters he's already beaten. Ward has had it his way, which is why his career has been so much better.

[Citizen Koba]

Good dam post... People act like GGG IS 24 years old. Dude is same age as cotto.

And his pro career might as well have started 4 years ago when he broke away from criminal (and criminally rubbish) promoter Universum - now thankfully defunct. Furthermore until 2012 he couldn't get any fights in either the US or Germany due to those same legal issues with his promoter - so how was he gonna get any 'names' to fight him?

Of course it is accurate that Ward has a far better resume and perhaps feels that he's deserving of a far larger slice of the pie, but it's Ward that people are claiming wants the fight (although basically he's confirmed that he only made the statement 'cos he was fed up of being asked about GGG all the time) and not Golovkin, so why would Golovkin take a small cut in a risky fight that he doesn't even particularly want or need right now anyway?

If Ward actually does want this fight so bad (though all he actually said was that he was willing and 'make me an offer' - in fact basically identical to Loffler and Sanchez' open invitation) why not 50/50?

Furthermore his age is one more very good reason for Golovkin not to waste time chasing fights which have a good chance of falling through or being cancelled, as happened with the Jr fight, and looks entirely possible with Wards ongoing legal issues.

[HEND]

Golovkin's resume is hardly Golovkin's fault. Ward never had trouble getting anyone in the ring with him. His promoter did an outstanding job landing him fights.

Golovkin is just now getting middleweights who want to fight him, and is still having trouble landing good fights.

If Golovkin and his team had their way, he'd have fought Martinez, Murray, Quillin, and Chavez alongside the fighters he's already beaten. Ward has had it his way, which is why his career has been so much better.

It's almost never only one half's fault. I guess Golovkin made wrong decisions as well and this is why he wasted the half of his carreer in Universum and after that he signed with the lame ass K2. Or you really think that he is only a victim and he couldn't do anything? Only others fault?

Everyone blames Ward because his inactivity and the lawsuit but at least he positioned himslef as a #2 P4P fighter before, but Golovkin is 32 now and try to position himself now after he spent 6 years with beating bums under Universum... So who ****ed up his carreer more? Okay we can't say it now, but if we're talking about facts, the facts show us that Ward is 2 years younger than Golovkin and has (and already had four years ago) an out and way better resume than Golovkin now (at age 32). When Ward's contract with Goossen will be officially over in 2016, that time Ward will be in the same age as Golovkin now. So there goes the "Ward never be active again" or "Ward kill his whole carreer" arguement. It's not good that he is inactive, sure, but try not to say for sure at least not as "facts" (not you, but Elroy) that he won't even come back and he is done. So the lawsuit and thefact that Golovkin became a fashionable name in boxing and he can be a star in the next few years is a relatively new 1-2 year(s) old thing and not a constant estate. And if you compare their resumes in their whole carreer, the man who woke up late and wasted his years is GGG, not Ward, Ward already cleaned up a strong SMW division, he earned himslef P4P #2 spot and etc... What did Golvokin during this time? And though for Ward's carreer this lawsuit is definitely not good, he isn't done, I'm sure in this.
And yeah, it's harderin a weight calss loaded with weak champions, but what doe it make for Golovkin's legacy if he sty at 160 and hunts for opponents like Quillin, Solimna, or the natural WW Cotto? Great resumes and level of oppositions are make legacies, Golovkin is 32 and still hunt for these guys who aren't the biggest chalenges to be hinest. This is why he needs to move up to fight with guys like Froch, Dirrell or Ward, there are the good oppositions, not in 160. MW is a lame division. And you can argue that why Ward isn't move up to 175 but at least he already put a hellof a resume on the table. And now he is inactive and one year later I think the only serious challenge for him in 175 will be just Stevenson, or nobody, based on I think B-Hop will handle Kovalev and one year later B-Hop will be in retirement. If Stevenson will be a challenge or not will it's up to the end of a possibly B-Hop Vs Stevenson fight if there will be. But I'm almost sure that if (I don't think so) Kovalev will beat B-Hop, he will become a big name and Ward will fight with him, maybe at cw. So he will fight whoever will be the unified champion unless that person will be B-Hop (I see a good chance for this) because probably he will go to retirement just after the unification bout.