I wouldnt even call what Danny Garcia does "counterpunching"

[MoneyMayFan]

Terrible thread.

Garcia didn't throw hail maries against Khan. If you watch again, you'll see that he was timing Khan throughout the fight.

No he was getting tagged at will until he landed that lucky shot. Khan would dust him in a rematch. Easy work. Danny is a lucky SOB. Lucas was outboxing him until his eye closed. He better keep avoiding 147 or else

[Inkanyamba]

No he was getting tagged at will until he landed that lucky shot. Khan would dust him in a rematch. Easy work. Danny is a lucky SOB. Lucas was outboxing him until his eye closed. He better keep avoiding 147 or else

Bro you dumb as hell. Lucas was getting his **** boxed in the entire fight. The eye only made it worse.

[Kagami Taiga]

Don't mean to call shots but anyone saying good post or agreeing just doesn't know what they are talking about..

A counterpunch in generally a punch thrown to counteract your opponents own punch whether it's thrown after your opponent misses or while he is throwing a punch. I understand your post was meant to sort of down Garcia but in actuality it shines a light on something he does very well.

Iv'e said it before and I will again, Garcias wierd timing is his strongest weapon. It's how he gets guys out of there. He has an excellent ability to anticipate your punch and to match his 'with' yours as opposed to making you miss and countering you after. He basically tries to hit you when he knows you are not in a position to be defensive, i.e. when you are punching. It works really well and i give him credit for it, but it's also the reason why Herrera was able to give him hell. If you take Danny's ability to time you out of the equation, you pretty much have him beat as his unconventional counterpunching timing is really the only thing you can say he does very well.

good post all around. especially this.

[Ryn0]

I disagree, its counter punching. Danny doesn't especially quick feet or hands, if he waited for an opponent to 'miss' and tried to counter after its quite likely guys with quick feet get out of range.

Garcia knows this and he throws a counter left hook (most of the time) just after the opponent throws, Marquez does the same its actually a big part of why Marquez gets dropped quite often. But its still counter punching, you are still reacting to an opponents offense with a punch rather than pressing the action.

Counter punching isn't as strict a definition as you make it. Watch the Morales KO in any case, Morales throws a left hook, Garcia slips it and counters with his left. He is a counter puncher, perhaps not in the traditional sense but he is a counter puncher nonetheless.

[billeau2]

Just got around to seeing his fight vs Salka last night on youtube as I refused to give Showtime any ratings for this farce.

One thing I notice about Garcia and I've mentioned it here before, is that although people label him a "counterpuncher", he really isnt. What Danny does is throw WITH his opponent. The minute Danny sees his opponent let his hands go, Danny lets his go as well with little regard for defense. That to me isnt counterpunching. Counterpunching is when you make your opponent miss then make him pay. Floyd is a counterpuncher. JMM is a counterpuncher. Danny Garcia is not a counterpuncher. He's more of a hail mary puncher and has been fortunate enough to land and be able to take a better shot than most of his opponents. If you look at his KO of Khan, that too was a hail mary punch where he just swung when he saw Khan swinging. Hey, I'm not knocking the kid. Whatever works for him works. I just dont understand him being labeled a "counterpuncher" when he clearly isnt one.

There are many who consider themselves pundits who do not understand at all what a counter punch is and the craft of a real legit counter puncher. Yes people who just overwhelm are often called counter punchers.

That left hook where he turns away is what was once called a "Blind technique." Its legit and it does take good timing but a counterpunch is where you work off the punches coming towards you, its not overwhelming the puncher.

heres a great example...Watch when Ward keeps firing a left at
dawson just a little low every time. Dawson gets more and more brave with his right and then overcommits and boom in reaction to the right Ward then....throws the hook higher and perfectly dropping Dawson. That is a counter punch. Ward never turns his head, does not try to time it so the punch is neutralized...rather he positions himself over time and then unloads a shot in respons to the right.

[Ryn0]

There are many who consider themselves pundits who do not understand at all what a counter punch is and the craft of a real legit counter puncher. Yes people who just overwhelm are often called counter punchers.

That left hook where he turns away is what was once called a "Blind technique." Its legit and it does take good timing but a counterpunch is where you work off the punches coming towards you, its not overwhelming the puncher.

heres a great example...Watch when Ward keeps firing a left at
dawson just a little low every time. Dawson gets more and more brave with his right and then overcommits and boom in reaction to the right Ward then....throws the hook higher and perfectly dropping Dawson. That is a counter punch. Ward never turns his head, does not try to time it so the punch is neutralized...rather he positions himself over time and then unloads a shot in respons to the right.

Watch the Morales KO, Garcia slips the left and returns with the his own. Had Morales not throw his left Garcia likely wouldn't have throw his just after. He was 'countering' Morales first left. Therefore he counter punched.

Just because he doesn't fit a very narrow definition of what you describe as a counter puncher doesn't mean he isn't one. There is more than one way to counter punch, Mayweathers check hook against Hatton is a counter, he sees Hattons left coming, moves to the side and throws a hook 'countering' his punch and movement. Just like Toneys shoulder roll right hand over the top is a counter punch. Ali's pull counter against Liston is a counter punch. When Jersey Joe Walcott slips Ezzards Charles punch and throws the uppercut its a counter.

[MoneyMayFan]

Bro you dumb as hell. Lucas was getting his **** boxed in the entire fight. The eye only made it worse.

No your the idiot. Lucas was winning the first half of the fight. Angel knew. Go back and watch boy.

[Syf]

I would say it's a crude brute force style of countering. Not exactly based on finesse ala Floyd or anything.. more akin to Marquez approach to countering in the 4th Pac fight. Big counters. Hail Mary countering. It works till it doesnt.

[frosty-g]

U can't reinvent the wheel when it comes to boxing. U throw with your opponent when uve timed them. Now when your punch gets there faster and/or harder, how the hell isn't that a counter? People seriously believe that such a technique is easy to pull off? It's something type of luck? Is that what u believe? I'm confused.

Yeah mate but:
Most people don't know s...

And to the others - throwing after defending is more counter-attacking. Throwing a split second after your opponent starts to throw is exactly what counter-punching is

[frosty-g]

If Khan could make a few adjustments in a rematch, a lot of people think he can beat Danny.

Yeah, probably wasn't the best gameplan to get sparked out, he'd maybe be best to change that