No one wants to fight Andre Ward at 168?

[joseph5620]

FYI it wasn't Ward that cleaned out the division. Sure you could say just cause he won the Super Six, but Froch has done more to clean it out than Ward. Even if he lost the final. Before and after.

Froch lost to both Ward and Kessler when it mattered the most. Many think he lost to Dirrell too. Ward dominated Froch, Kessler and every other opponent in the super six.


Your belief that Froch cleaned out the division over the fighter he clearly lost to is ridiculous and makes no sense. You don't "clean out" a division when you can't beat the best fighter in the division. It's obviously based on your own personal bias.

[IronDanHamza]

How many opponents has he faced that were above Rodriguez caliber anyway?

I'd say 3 (Kessler, Froch, Abraham) 4 if you include Bika.

I get your point though.

[IronDanHamza]

FYI it wasn't Ward that cleaned out the division. Sure you could say just cause he won the Super Six, but Froch has done more to clean it out than Ward. Even if he lost the final. Before and after.

I think Froch has a better resume but Wards cleaned it out in the sense that the best fighters at the time of the super six (and on going) were Kessler, Froch, Abraham and he's beat them and the hers were Bute and Dirrell who are off the map now.

Point being there's not much left at 168.

[IronDanHamza]

He's in no rush to move up and the 175 pounders aren't going anywhere. He can take his time to do that.

Or he can waste his prime away doing that.

Which is what he's been doing for the last 2+ years.

[IronDanHamza]

True. But say he moves up and takes two lesser fights before Stevenson and Kovalov, people are still going to cry duck.

Why does he need lesser fights?

He's been having lesser fighters for over 2 years now.

Why can't he move up and fight the best right away like other fighters P4P fighters have.

[V.WEBB]

All these years later, Nelson is still hurtin.

[FrankieBruno]

after groves ko's froch, he will come for ward

[RubenSonny]

I'd say 3 (Kessler, Froch, Abraham) 4 if you include Bika.

I get your point though.

I'm not sure Abraham and Bika are clearly better and they aren't meaningful wins either. In all honestly, Froch and Kessler were only a bit better than Rodriguez.

[Kingjames6Flee]

He brings nothing to the table. Move your ass up to 175 and put that 0 on the line. Nothing at 168 for you ward. You beat froch, the only fight there is jr. Or groves if he wins a rematch.

[Mr.Fantastic]

Froch lost to both Ward and Kessler when it mattered the most. Many think he lost to Dirrell too. Ward dominated Froch, Kessler and every other opponent in the super six.


Your belief that Froch cleaned out the division over the fighter he clearly lost to is ridiculous and makes no sense. You don't "clean out" a division when you can't beat the best fighter in the division. It's obviously based on your own personal bias.

Many think he beat Kessler as well. Can't have it both ways.

My belief is that Froch has done more to clean the division, not entirely cleaned it like you're saying. No bias there at all. You're just trying to twist it.

I think Froch has a better resume but Wards cleaned it out in the sense that the best fighters at the time of the super six (and on going) were Kessler, Froch, Abraham and he's beat them and the hers were Bute and Dirrell who are off the map now.

Point being there's not much left at 168.

Froch beat Abraham first but yet it seems he doesn't get the credit he deserves like Ward. When you lose to a fighter, sometimes it takes something out of you but it doesn't change the fact they were something at that time when Froch beat Bute/Dirrell. The same Dirrell that Ward did not want to fight.

There could of been if he was willing to make sacrifices and not be a diva about it.