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    Originally posted by Davis40 View Post
    being a serial killer or a child ******er isn't a choice either. They're born that way so does that mean we have to accept them unconditionally to?
    It's debatable whether serial killers and child ******ers are "born that way," but you evidently think being gay is just as heinous. One enormous difference between gay people and the monsters you cite is that gay persons have consensual relations with each other, while those other fiends prey on victims and destroy lives. There is no comparison whatsoever. Frankly, it's embarrassing to have to point it out to you.

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      Originally posted by low_Bo View Post
      Lmao at the bbq sauce comment. But seriously, I think Holyfield has enough integrity to say he was wrong to have kids out of wedlock.
      lol Oh, really? At what point did he realize the error of his ways and stop? At number 11?

      I don't even give a shit what that guy does with his life, as long as he's taking care of the children he sired. What's laughable is that people are defending his comments. What's even more laughable is that they're pretending to support Holyfield's right to free speech.

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        Originally posted by Davis40 View Post
        being a serial killer or a child ******er isn't a choice either. They're born that way so does that mean we have to accept them unconditionally to?
        The majority of serial killers and child abusers have suffered from abuse themselves a product of their environment and genetics may play a part (for example some people may be more genetically predisposed to become a sociopath, but being a sociopath doesn't mean you will become a serial killer only that if you are brought up in a certain environment it may lead that way). Some of them like Billy Joe Long had been abused as children had a genetic disorder and then suffered brain damage after the fact which led to his disposition as a serial killer. Yes they should be punished but the root cause here in most cases is the environmental circumstance which we can alter, there is empirical proof of this, the majority of serial killers suffered heavy abuse as children (look up Hickey's trauma control model in psychology). Like anything there are exceptions to the rule though.

        The argument is completely different, since you can argue in the majority of cases ****sexuality has little or no correlation with upbringing.

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          Originally posted by LacedUp View Post





          I don't think either of you two have the position to teach me about Christianity and/or religion. The two of you, I assume based on your ignorant answers to this thread, are completely unaware of how the 27 books of the New Testament has been incorrectly translated from its original Greek, to latin, to Lutheran and has lost a lot of it's meaning through time resulting in false meanings in the modern bible.

          To think that a sensationalist who claim that ****sexuality is wrong/could be cured by a doctor and/or condone the belittling of a race/specific part of society - can question my religion and my understanding of Christianity is laughable.

          Anyways, keep telling me how I'm not Christian.
          Don't assume anything concerning me. Number one, I don't even agree with what Evander said. But you are the guy who compared him stating his opinion to Hitler killing ***s and a guy being killed for being Black.

          Murder and a person's opinion are simply not compatible. There's nothing more ignorant that believing you've found a comparison between the 2. $h!t that's borderline insane. As for me i study more than just the Christian bible. I don't debate anyone over my beliefs or theirs concerning Jehovah God.

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            Did Holyfield have so many kids because it's against his religious beliefs to wear a condom?

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              Originally posted by Davis40 View Post
              being a serial killer or a child ******er isn't a choice either. They're born that way so does that mean we have to accept them unconditionally to?
              lulz. that's not even close to being the same thing. those people you mentioned hurt people physically. ****sexuals only hurt people like you emotionally because they make you feel funny things inside. why would you care what anyone does with anyone else so long as the people involved are consenting adults?

              **** outta here with that dumb ****.

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                The world is flat.

                IM THE MAN!

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                  Originally posted by ironmt View Post
                  We are the only species on planet earth that kill for fun, or for something to do, or because the other person made us angry. What other animal does this?
                  My cat does this all the time.

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                    Being gay is a choice or a preference as I would put it.

                    No one is born to like women or men; they just do so based on beliefs of their own, society, family &/or religion.

                    Being born handicap or with a terminal illness, you never had the choice to be 100% healthy. You do have the choice to be gay or straight.
                    Last edited by TonitosWay; 01-09-2014, 02:39 AM.

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                      Originally posted by Bushbaby View Post
                      Don't assume anything concerning me. Number one, I don't even agree with what Evander said. But you are the guy who compared him stating his opinion to Hitler killing ***s and a guy being killed for being Black.

                      Murder and a person's opinion are simply not compatible. There's nothing more ignorant that believing you've found a comparison between the 2. $h!t that's borderline insane. As for me i study more than just the Christian bible. I don't debate anyone over my beliefs or theirs concerning Jehovah God.
                      I did not compare it to that. I compared it to voicing your support for Hitler's doing. ****sexuals are lynched and hunted down every moment of the day in various parts of the world - like a witch hunt, similar to how ***s were being hunted - So how is that not a fair comparison?

                      If a public figure says something slanderous, and it is slanderous, about ****sexuals, it will give the people who don't know anything about it a reason to believe what he's saying is the truth - and from that the discrimination against them will continue.

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