Originally posted by orriray59
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A close fight that I thought Calzaghe edged over a good domestic-level fighter.
It was a shutout over the almost consensus favorite. Revisionism is sweet, although I concede that Lacy was never really that good. Jeff had stopped Reid and Pemberton, two decent wins.
We're discussing things that actually happened here. Don't start throwing around fictional results for fictional fights that never happened nor will ever happen.
Roy was a shell of his former self, and overall one of Calzaghe's lesser victories. Though a win over Hopkins, even at that stage, is a good achievement. The man went on to absolutely school Pavlik and become the oldest world champion in the history of boxing by decisioning Jean Pascal.
Calzaghe was hardly prime and fresh for those fights, either.
They were decent contenders. Calzaghe beat 'em. Nothing more to say, really.
Maybe so, that was more a passing of the torch fight. It was for a vacant title that Calzaghe wanted, so he fought for it and was victorious.
No, that amounts to three fictional losses you account for fights that never happened, and a close bout that many people thought Calzaghe won.
Weak argument, that, seeing as I already agreed in my original post that it wasn't a great resume.
It was a shutout over the almost consensus favorite. Revisionism is sweet, although I concede that Lacy was never really that good. Jeff had stopped Reid and Pemberton, two decent wins.
We're discussing things that actually happened here. Don't start throwing around fictional results for fictional fights that never happened nor will ever happen.
Roy was a shell of his former self, and overall one of Calzaghe's lesser victories. Though a win over Hopkins, even at that stage, is a good achievement. The man went on to absolutely school Pavlik and become the oldest world champion in the history of boxing by decisioning Jean Pascal.
Calzaghe was hardly prime and fresh for those fights, either.
They were decent contenders. Calzaghe beat 'em. Nothing more to say, really.Maybe so, that was more a passing of the torch fight. It was for a vacant title that Calzaghe wanted, so he fought for it and was victorious.
No, that amounts to three fictional losses you account for fights that never happened, and a close bout that many people thought Calzaghe won.
Weak argument, that, seeing as I already agreed in my original post that it wasn't a great resume.
Do you really think that prime Roy and Bernard wouldnt have shutout Calzaghe's high volume low power low accuracy 15 round attacks? I just cant see how Roy's pinpoint combos round after round wouldnt hit Calzaghe, they were far superior to Kessler and Reid who were both landing frequently, though Joe's chin would protect him and make sure he lasted the distance.
I just fail to see how saying Roy and Bhop would shut him down is a weak argument. It seems straightforward to me, they were both three or four times as good in their prime. even old Bernard wasnt outskilled by Calzaghe at all, merely outdone in fitness ( easily Joe's best weapon, he had Olympic fitness way into his mid-30s, which is why his fear of flying got cured when the two major US stars got too old to last the distance at high tempo when he still easily could).
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