Comments Thread For: TV Picks of The Week: Deontay Wilder vs. Zhilei Zhang in Potential Heavyweight Slugfest

[Zelda]

we have to have hope otherwise what ? But I think Fury 2 and 3 took a lot out of Wilder plus his mind is away with the South American jungle spirits - Fury is no a huge puncher. Zhang punches some degrees harder than Fury. It's a case of who lands first - i slightly favor Zhang to buckle Deontay

Mostly the latter. Fury did not take Wilder down with one punch. It took a lot of punches to put Wilder down and he showed great heart every time by trying to get up and continue fighting. Sure Zhang may hit heavier (if not harder) but he will hit less.

Where Wilder is at mentally, however, is a completely different topic. He did not seem like the older Wilder that wanted to go out on his shield. The Wilder we saw last time looked like he has lost passion for the game, the motivation or fire in him to regain his titles and get those belts back. He seemed more at ease and one who's preparing for retirement and an easier life ahead. Was it because he lost interest in boxing altogether or due to boxing politics and big fights not happened. Like Fury, Wilder probably also only cares about boxing if there is a big money fight and not necessarily to spend the time and put in the hard work to make his way to the top. That sort of motivation can get you to take a fight but cannot make you overcome an adverse circumstances to win if things do not go your way.

Wilder brings a lot of excitement to HW boxing but only if he still has that fire to win. Otherwise, he better stay retired.

[MastaBlasta]

If Wilder doesn't show his old form this will probably be his last stand. Pains me to say that or think it. I don't think he should be fighting right now, but I understand with his age he really can't wait around. If he's gonna continue (he feels) he can't wait. For his sake I hope he's ready to fight.

[JakeTheBoxer]

It is a good fight. The winner gets another big fight, the loser likely retires.

Unless if Zhang is the loser, than he maybe gets Parker rematch. Is Parker still obligated to give him a rematch?

[James]

It is a good fight. The winner gets another big fight, the loser likely retires.

Unless if Zhang is the loser, than he maybe gets Parker rematch. Is Parker still obligated to give him a rematch?

I don't believe that Parker wants to receive power punches from ZZ anymore unless he is obligated to do. It is better for him to move on.

[James]

If Wilder doesn't show his old form this will probably be his last stand. Pains me to say that or think it. I don't think he should be fighting right now, but I understand with his age he really can't wait around. If he's gonna continue (he feels) he can't wait. For his sake I hope he's ready to fight.

He claim's he's reay. Let's see. Good luck to both of them.

[Willow The Wisp]

Mostly the latter. Fury did not take Wilder down with one punch. It took a lot of punches to put Wilder down and he showed great heart every time by trying to get up and continue fighting. Sure Zhang may hit heavier (if not harder) but he will hit less.

Where Wilder is at mentally, however, is a completely different topic. He did not seem like the older Wilder that wanted to go out on his shield. The Wilder we saw last time looked like he has lost passion for the game, the motivation or fire in him to regain his titles and get those belts back. He seemed more at ease and one who's preparing for retirement and an easier life ahead. Was it because he lost interest in boxing altogether or due to boxing politics and big fights not happened. Like Fury, Wilder probably also only cares about boxing if there is a big money fight and not necessarily to spend the time and put in the hard work to make his way to the top. That sort of motivation can get you to take a fight but cannot make you overcome an adverse circumstances to win if things do not go your way.

Wilder brings a lot of excitement to HW boxing but only if he still has that fire to win. Otherwise, he better stay retired.

I agree. At his age and tax bracket he could go either way.
My mind says that Zhang, whose defacto win over Hrgovic I predicted, is the fresher of the two given that Hrgovic, Joyce and Parker did nothing to him.

But I'll still be rooting for Wilder. If he has another war left in him......he'll connect and win.

[Zelda]

I agree. At his age and tax bracket he could go either way.
My mind says that Zhang, whose defacto win over Hrgovic I predicted, is the fresher of the two given that Hrgovic, Joyce and Parker did nothing to him.

But I'll still be rooting for Wilder. If he has another war left in him......he'll connect and win.

It is difficult to say and I will tell you another reason why I say that.

See Joshua and his team had a plan for him to rebuild himself, gain his confidence, improve his skill set and have another go at the title. But for that, he had to rebuild Joshua by taking four easy (or at most average) fights and make him an active fighter on a winning streak. Only now are they planning to pair him with a more competitive opponent that we "may" see later this year.

Wilder, on the other hand, is not being given the chance (or not willing to stay around for that long) to rebuild himself and lose some of that ring rust with tune-up fights. Wilder is going in with another dangerous fighter, perhaps even more dangerous than the person he just lost against. He said in the post-fight interview that we may or may not see him again, and he repeated yesterday that if he loses to Zhang, he may seriously consider retirement.

The motivation, would only be to take the chance right away and earn some money. If he wins, that will be an icing on the cake. but the motivation is not because he wants to rebuild himself. Had that been the case, he would fight some lower opposition to try to apply some of what he's learning in training under fighting conditions, and to get back to winning ways and regain his timing and confidence.

[Oregonian]

In the US, you don't get locked up for 27 years for making a post on Twitter supporting women's rights, as happened to Salma al-Shebab in Saudi Arabia a year ago.

In the US, the government doesn't execute juveniles.

In the US, you don't get executed for posting a tweet asking for clerics to be released, criticising the country's leader and complaining about rising prices, as happened to Nasser al-Ghamdi in Saudi Arabia last year.

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According to the UN, all but 20 of its 193 member states have abolished the death penalty either in law or in practice. The U.S. is the only Western democracy that hasn’t ended the practice. Do you want to take a guess how many INNOCENT people are executed in the US? With over 70% of them being bl�cks.



From 1976 to 2005, 22 juveniles have been executed in the US. Source below.



I’m pretty sure you’ll find ways to either justify or defend the FACTS I’ve given you.

Here are a few more people who did not commit any crime but spent decades in prison:





I could literally give you hundreds of sources of innocent men who have spent decades in prison for crimes they did not commit and I’m pretty sure you’ll have a way to explain it. You might even try the “there is due process in the US” or “this rarely happens” but it won’t matter, there are tens of thousands innocent black peoples in US prisons today.

Before you tell us it’s all in the past, Alabama executed a man using nitrogen gas.

On January 25, the state of Alabama executed Kenneth Smith using nitrogen hypoxia, subjecting him to inhale pure nitrogen through a mask until he suffocated. Despite state claims that it would be a painless death, Mr. Smith shook, convulsed, writhed, and gasped for minutes until he was pronounced dead at least 22 minutes after the execution began, thoughsince Alabama closed the execution curtain before the official time of death



BOTTON LINE, THE US IS WORSE THAN SAUDI ARABIA

[Monty Fisto]

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According to the UN, all but 20 of its 193 member states have abolished the death penalty either in law or in practice. The U.S. is the only Western democracy that hasn’t ended the practice. Do you want to take a guess how many INNOCENT people are executed in the US? With over 70% of them being bl�cks.



From 1976 to 2005, 22 juveniles have been executed in the US. Source below.



I’m pretty sure you’ll find ways to either justify or defend the FACTS I’ve given you.

Here are a few more people who did not commit any crime but spent decades in prison:





I could literally give you hundreds of sources of innocent men who have spent decades in prison for crimes they did not commit and I’m pretty sure you’ll have a way to explain it. You might even try the “there is due process in the US” or “this rarely happens” but it won’t matter, there are tens of thousands innocent black peoples in US prisons today.

Before you tell us it’s all in the past, Alabama executed a man using nitrogen gas.

On January 25, the state of Alabama executed Kenneth Smith using nitrogen hypoxia, subjecting him to inhale pure nitrogen through a mask until he suffocated. Despite state claims that it would be a painless death, Mr. Smith shook, convulsed, writhed, and gasped for minutes until he was pronounced dead at least 22 minutes after the execution began, thoughsince Alabama closed the execution curtain before the official time of death



BOTTON LINE, THE US IS WORSE THAN SAUDI ARABIA

Bottom line, US spelling isn't what it was either.

I am against the death penalty wherever it is. Regarding your fact that the US is behind other western democracies when it comes the death penalty, I agree. In fact, the US today is behind where the US was 50 years ago in this regard.

So if you say the US should get rid of the death penalty, I agree. When you point out the barbaric exections, such as Kenneth Smith above, I do not disagree; I concur they are barbaric.

When it comes to Saudi Arabia, however, the US taken as a whole, I believe, is still nowhere near as bad. In general, you have constiutional protections regarding freedom of expression and freedom of worhsip that the Saudis have never had and do not appear to countenance in the near future.

[Oregonian]

Bottom line, US spelling isn't what it was either.

I am against the death penalty wherever it is. Regarding your fact that the US is behind other western democracies when it comes the death penalty, I agree. In fact, the US today is behind where the US was 50 years ago in this regard.

So if you say the US should get rid of the death penalty, I agree. When you point out the barbaric exections, such as Kenneth Smith above, I do not disagree; I concur they are barbaric.

When it comes to Saudi Arabia, however, the US taken as a whole, I believe, is still nowhere near as bad. In general, you have constiutional protections regarding freedom of expression and freedom of worhsip that the Saudis have never had and do not appear to countenance in the near future.

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Thank you for your respectful response. I’m used to seeing the opposite whenever someone criticizes the US.
I will not disagree with you about Saudi Arabia’s archaic governance and their ruthless hypocritical monarchy.
My issue usually is we brag to the world about our democracy and our judicial system AND we even enforce our ideologies to the rest of the world. We are the only self-proclaimed world police and we play the party really well. Saudi Arabia does not do that. Neither was China or Russia UNTIL they decided to emulate our blue print.

Nobody cares about the US anymore. We have lost any moral fiber we had.