Why doesn't Sven Ottke get as much Credit as Joe C. ?

[hammerhiem]

sven ottke undefeated

Well it should be 30 - 4 but hey hum.

Brewer x2, Mitchell and Reid all beat him fairly comforatably.

You can make arguements for the Johnson, Starie and Larsen fights aswell but the four above he lost in every way apart from the paid off judges.

[bsrizpac]

i didn't mean that; i meant that he must have been highly regarded to be considered to have such a good chance at beating Calzaghe

both Kessler and Calzgahe's SMW runs were under par considering their talent, but i don't think they are "****ty" in the grand scheme of things. some solid wins and they built a skeleton for a resume. They just lack flesh; which i believe Calzaghe did a fair job of adding with the little run towards the end


Joe and his camp should have taken more initiative and forced the big fights to come off sooner, for sure. The onus is on the person who needs the fight most. However i think some of the blame can be shared with a couple other people,


most people are not very respectful towards Sven... I think for British boxing fans the Reid robbery is a large part of it, a lot of people are still salty about that

Also i dont' think it was that Kessler was highly regarded. Everyone hated Joe C AND thought the style matchup was bad for him because he had not been tested.

[S.G.]

Also i dont' think it was that Kessler was highly regarded. Everyone hated Joe C AND thought the style matchup was bad for him because he had not been tested.

hmm well i wasn't about on forums such as this one back then

from what i recall Joe was still on his Lacy high then

[!! Shawn]

I don't want to flame, but I highly doubt if you've seen any of his fights? He was virtually impossible to hit clean.

Of course his face looks bashed in. He had some 350 am fights to go with his procareer.

I have seen him fight. All he does is prance around in a turtle shell, throw a few pitty pat punches, then hold on for dear life. Its sickening.

[bsrizpac]

Well it should be 30 - 4 but hey hum.

Brewer x2, Mitchell and Reid all beat him fairly comforatably.

You can make arguements for the Johnson, Starie and Larsen fights aswell but the four above he lost in every way apart from the paid off judges.

Then Joe should probably be -2. Just saying.

Not as silly as the ottke stuff but questionable just the same.

[hammerhiem]

Then Joe should probably be -2. Just saying.

Not as silly as the ottke stuff but questionable just the same.

-1 BHop, the Reid fight wasn't close, even Reid said it wasn't close.

Remember i was a Reid fan not a Calzaghe fan watching that fight.

[bsrizpac]

I have seen him fight. All he does is prance around in a turtle shell, throw a few pitty pat punches, then hold on for dear life. Its sickening.

All joe does is prance around like a **** gobbler and swat slaps like a schoolgirl that is have a seizure. He only wins because of his chin and conditioning and bad scoring. It's sickening.

See what I did there?

[bsrizpac]

-1 BHop, the Reid fight wasn't close, even Reid said it wasn't close.

Remember i was a Reid fan not a Calzaghe fan watching that fight.

I think it was close. It's debatable. I don't think that's a fight (much like the Bhop one) where anyone can take a clear stance. They are certainly interesting scoring challenges.

[Drunk Punch]

Both fighters have similar resumes, Calzaghe edges it for unifying and just being more skilled and exciting to watch.

[bsrizpac]

Both fighters have similar resumes, Calzaghe edges it for unifying and just being more skilled and exciting to watch.

hmm wonder if this will get ignored or read...