OK, I'll take a look sometime for a craic.
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How was James Toney dead at that weight when he pulled off one of his better performances against the highly respect Prince Charles Williams only four months earlier? What did he do, get down to 168, KO the guy in the last round, leave the ring, gain 100lbs, lose 100lbs and then fight Jones? Get a clue. How come it that wasn't an issue when he weighed 226lbs for his last fight before moving down to cruiser and fighting Vasily Jirov for the cruiser title? Wouldn't that be the ideal time for Toney to be weight drained? Wasn't a problem there though, was it?Originally posted by CottoWillReturn View PostYou're not weighing out the facts, on paper Jones beating Toney looks better but Toney was dead at the weight. What is it about that you don't understand? Winky obviously isn't a SMW, that's why he didn't stay there. You've already said he gave Hopkins a close fight but are critisizing him for not looking good against Hopkins. Hopkins is very hard to look good against, especially when he was throwing his head about so much and cut Winky. Winky is also a very difficult guy to look good against and I think Hopkins looked good, not great obviously but that's to be expected against a defensively sound fighter like Winky. Considering both these guys are defensive genuises it was a damn good fight, alot better than I'd expected. Obviously Hopkins' stock had gone down around the time he lost to Taylor, that's to be expected. Most people thought he won the rematch and alot think he never lost at all to him, both were very disputed. Taylor was an excellent fighter then too remember. Hopkins redeemed himself by dominating Tarver and getting a good win over Winky Wright.
So like I've said, Calzaghe beating an elite P4P fighter still performing at the highest level is better than anything Hopkins or Jones have done. Hopkins going on to dominate another P4P fighter after proves it even further.
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The fact is, James Toney has always had weight issues...before EVERY fight. ****, he has weight issues at heavyweight. Except it's convenient to use it as an excuse the one time he gets his ass kicked from pillar to post. The fact is...you don't know what you're talking about. We're done here.Comment
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Toney must of wanted to give up his belts then because coming into a fight with Roy Jones not 100% fit would be highly ******ed. Against the doctors orders and all......Originally posted by CottoWillReturn View PostComment
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I'll swap the word idiot for seriously deluded.
just to be niceLast edited by Hook; 02-25-2009, 11:24 PM.Comment
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His weight escalted badly and he was advised not to fight against Jones by a doctor. You're blinded if you don't believe weight was a big issue, it's no hidden secret. He even had weight issues before the PCW fight, just not as bad. He blew up in between the fights and didn't take the weight off properly before the Jones fight. You need to read up about this before you call other people clueless.Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostComment
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Peace at last.
If we were all in a room together right now, would we be calling each other idiots and fighting or would we just have a decent discussion?
I wonder sometimes...
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LOL @ reading up on it. No need - I was actually following the sport back then. Can't argue with logic.Originally posted by CottoWillReturn View PostComment
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"At this time, most boxing magazines and writers had regarded Toney as the best pound per pound fighter in the world. He had become one of the most feared and intimidating fighters as well. James Toney had become somewhat of a throwback to the old time great fighters, as he fought often and was willing to take on the best regardless of weight class. At his best, Toney’s style was almost flawless. He was a smooth boxer/puncher who could adapt to any style. He could easily fight from the distance or on an inside battle. He was one of the best defensive specialists in the sport, in that he could slip and avoid punches in a way that resembled a young Roberto Duran. Toney seemed to have it all, power, speed, a solid chin, an outstanding defense and an aura that commanded respect. But his battle with weight had once again begun to take its toll. He would balloon to over 200 lbs between fights, which made it apparent that his days at the Super Middleweight limit were coming to an end. In fact Toney’s sights were now set on the Heavyweight division. However, after the Williams fight it was announced that Toney would next defend his title with a big money fight against Roy Jones.Originally posted by ALT=_=Assassin View Post
Toney accepted the fight, believing that he would be able to make the 168lbs. limit one last time. The fight was set for November 18, 1994. Toney went into training camp for the Jones match a mere 6 weeks prior to the fight, weighing 214 lbs. By the day of the weigh-in Toney had stepped on the scale weighing a weak looking 167 lbs. He had lost 47 lbs in just 6 weeks. Toney was severely dehydrated and his camp knew it. After the weigh-in, Toney was hooked up to an I.V. in order to replace his body with fluids and he was kept on it all night until the next day of the fight. On fight day, just before entering the ring, Toney had weighed himself in the dressing room. It was reported that he weighed 186 lbs, which meant that he had gained an incredible 19 pounds in less than 24 hours. As Toney climbed into the ring and removed his robe, he revealed a soft looking body which lacked muscle tone. It became apparent that this was not the same fighter. In spite of the fact that Toney was so grossly out of shape, Jones still seemed content to fight a safe cautious fight. The result was a boring 12 round decision win for Jones. This became Toney’s first loss after 46 pro fights. After the fight, Toney admitted that he had been weakened by making the weight and stated that he would move up to the Light Heavyweight division."
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Good for you, obviously you weren't following it close enough.Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostComment
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