Kelly Pavlik needs a new trainer asap

[rizkybizness]

Well, maybe if he doesnt completely drop Loew, it would be nice to have someone else in the corner as well.

[Kris Silver]

Loew said pre fight Pavlik was healthier than ever and stronger and their not chasing the money. He said post fight Pavliks not right at 170 and they've chased the money and it failed. Pavliks a very big and tall MW whom should be able to be roughly as good at 170, especially if he's as good as people say he is. The weight issue was fine before then suddenly an excuse. There was also only 6 lbs difference in weight on fight night (pretty average in a lot of fights) and Pavlik was taller and has a reach advantage.

Loew said they had a plan A, B, C, D. He did not suggest what any of these might be. It was plain to see during the fight there were no discussed plans, as he did not say now do this thing we talked about, this isn't working do this. All he said repeatedly was double up on the jab. He couldn't because of movement and styles of both Jack, so say something else useful. He couldn't.

He said punch lots like Calzaghe did. If you don't know that your fighter has a different style and capability then another fighter, then that's very concerning. By this point Kelly was clearly seriously behind on points and unlikely to tip the balance to such a degree he could take a decision anyway. Kelly clearly couldn't get to Hops, his best chance was getting fewer shots in with pace.

From the post fight interviews they've mentioned issues, and there's clearly some issues in the camp. Pavliks using weird triangle theories and doesn't understand why he wasn't himself in there, you couldn't be because you couldn't get to a slick boxer Kelly, how could you not realise that post fight, let alone not before. Jack had little to say as to their failings citing weight only, he clearly has a serious lack of perception, insight or answers as to what's going on with his fighter.

Kelly un doubtedly needs to get a new trainer, no shadow of a doubt.

[rizkybizness]

Loew said pre fight Pavlik was healthier than ever and stronger and their not chasing the money. He said post fight Pavliks not right at 170 and they've chased the money and it failed. Pavliks a very big and tall MW whom should be able to be roughly as good at 170, especially if he's as good as people say he is. The weight issue was fine before then suddenly an excuse. There was also only 6 lbs difference in weight on fight night (pretty average in a lot of fights) and Pavlik was taller and has a reach advantage.

Loew said they had a plan A, B, C, D. He did not suggest what any of these might be. It was plain to see during the fight there were no discussed plans, as he did not say now do this thing we talked about, this isn't working do this. All he said repeatedly was double up on the jab. He couldn't because of movement and styles of both Jack, so say something else useful. He couldn't.

He said punch lots like Calzaghe did. If you don't know that your fighter has a different style and capability then another fighter, then that's very concerning. By this point Kelly was clearly seriously behind on points and unlikely to tip the balance to such a degree he could take a decision anyway. Kelly clearly couldn't get to Hops, his best chance was getting fewer shots in with pace.

From the post fight interviews they've mentioned issues, and there's clearly some issues in the camp. Pavliks using weird triangle theories and doesn't understand why he wasn't himself in there, you couldn't be because you couldn't get to a slick boxer Kelly, how could you not realise that post fight, let alone not before. Jack had little to say as to their failings citing weight only, he clearly has a serious lack of perception, insight or answers as to what's going on with his fighter.

Kelly un doubtedly needs to get a new trainer, no shadow of a doubt.

Great post.

He and his camp were saying the same kind of things for the Taylor rematch.
"Well, now I can eat pasta and other things" "if anything, I am going to be stronger and faster, i dont have to be on the treadmill the day before the weigh in getting the extra weight off",etc.etc.

He looked sluggish at 166 and horrendous at 170.

His camp needs to be revamped, new trainer, new nutritionist.

[Jose Rizal]

Kelly really looked limited in that fight. He needs new ideas. He can't always go by strength to win fights against the best because some of them would know how to deal with it.

[Queen_Leia]

Loew know how to train only one way....Kelly was EXPOSED because now fighters (not named Rubio) will know how to beat him.

[Queen_Leia]

Well we've seen worse

[Squabbles94806]

Pavlik should get B-Hop to train him.

Pavlik did learn a lesson that night.

One for us old guys.

[The Surgeon]

I only know him through his work with Pavlik, dont rate him.
He looked like he couldnt pick Kelly up mentally or offer much tactical advice IMO, Im not big on "Oh it was the trainers fault blame him get me someone else!" thing but i feel here is a good time for a switch

[Queen_Leia]

When a boxer is thoroughly outclassed and humiliated like Pav was against BHop, it's the trainer's fault. Jack Loew is and always has been a bad trainer. He is absolutely clueless about boxing. He has succeeded in doing the impossible: letting a potential hall-of-famer (Pavlik) get demolished. Pavlik has great qualities and potential, as BHop told him after the fight. I think BHop has very little respect for Jack Loew, or else he wouldn't have given Kelly advice in front of him. I wish Pavlik would see the light and get a real trainer who will let him fight against some slick boxers. Loew put Pavlik against BHop before having him face a few lesser slicksters. Huge mistake.

[ACHlLLES]

Pavlik is not the greatest boxer who ever lived, he is a brawler more then a boxer with a good double-jab(didn't work against hopkins because of the styles) and a straight right hand. He is similar to Kessler but I'd say Kessler is the better boxer overall, but this is just my opinion.