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    #11
    Thanks SnoopySmurf - good, technical critique!

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      #12
      The criticism of elements of his personal life are unfair, the personal lives of plenty of the champions of the past, especially some of the greatest ones, were very similar to Broner's and many were far worse. I very much doubt his love of strippers and partying is fundamentally a big problem, particularly not at his age. His problem was probably just believing his own hype, got over confident to the point of complacency and wasn't mentally prepared for the fight.

      Potentially a change of trainer could be an answer, particularly if his trainer is too indulgent with him. It is hard to tell though as I don't know the reality of his training camps. All these 24/7 shows and the like purport to give a window into the reality of their lives but they are all just a way to sell whatever image seems to sell. I would not be surprised that in the next big fight the 'story' will be all about how Broner has learned his lesson, has been humbled (Robert Guerrero seemed to profess his humility about a billion times in the lead up to the Mayweather fight, presumably missing the irony of it all) by the experience and that the defeat was some kind of road to Damascus moment. In short, more bull****.

      Broner has talent but he needs to improve a lot if he is to be a genuine elite fighter but he is currently a world class fighter. The whole new Mayweather thing was always just nonsense. The sad thing is that Broner himself may even have believed it.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Cupo303 View Post
        Here is some advice in the short term.

        In his vary next fight, he should make a symbolic statement by walking out to no music at all with nothing but actual cornermen walking out with him. He should also sport generic Boxing trunks and boots. No goofing around or brushing of hair, with a serious face ready to win.
        best advice so far

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          #14
          Originally posted by Humean View Post
          The criticism of elements of his personal life are unfair, the personal lives of plenty of the champions of the past, especially some of the greatest ones, were very similar to Broner's and many were far worse. I very much doubt his love of strippers and partying is fundamentally a big problem, particularly not at his age. His problem was probably just believing his own hype, got over confident to the point of complacency and wasn't mentally prepared for the fight.

          Potentially a change of trainer could be an answer, particularly if his trainer is too indulgent with him. It is hard to tell though as I don't know the reality of his training camps. All these 24/7 shows and the like purport to give a window into the reality of their lives but they are all just a way to sell whatever image seems to sell. I would not be surprised that in the next big fight the 'story' will be all about how Broner has learned his lesson, has been humbled (Robert Guerrero seemed to profess his humility about a billion times in the lead up to the Mayweather fight, presumably missing the irony of it all) by the experience and that the defeat was some kind of road to Damascus moment. In short, more bull****.

          Broner has talent but he needs to improve a lot if he is to be a genuine elite fighter but he is currently a world class fighter. The whole new Mayweather thing was always just nonsense. The sad thing is that Broner himself may even have believed it.
          I don't know if it's his personal life per se that has come up for criticism. I'd suggest that it's more the way he's used the more banal and idiotic elements of it as a rather cynical self-promotional ploy.

          I personally liked him at first, until it quickly dawned on me that he was angling for a style of promotion that has the statement, 'love me or hate me, you're gonna pay to watch me' as its guiding tenet. If his actions antagonised, if people began to hate him then more the better, as long as they tuned in.

          Over in NSB some people seem to have been confused by this (or maybe just used it as an opportunity to express their racism in cultural terms) and are viewing his actions as an expression of 'Black culture' (evoked in a derogatory sense) and as an extension of the ******. His actions have little if anything to do with these two concepts (however loosely defined) because his actions are completely inauthentic. They are pure self promotion.

          What he's done is taken the braggart antagonism of early Mayweather, coupled it with Floyd's rather clever later emphasis on selling a aspirational flashy 'lifestyle' (which of course, is bull**** even in "Money's" case, as evidenced by the renting of private jets that he unsuccessfully tried to pass off as his own) and added in a bratish new generational mix of 'My Super Sweet Sixteen'.

          What he's failed to realise or take heed of though, is that once he choose to go down that road of cynically generating hatred to generate PPV sales, he had to have done the road work and learnt his craft in order to keep that '0'. Now that he's been beaten the game is up before it every really began. We've already got what he wanted us to desire. Maidana handed him back his arse on a plate as we gleefully looked on.

          At the moment he looks like the epitome of the modern celebrity, lacking substance he's chased fame through infamy, and it's back-fired. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here in terms of his attempts at self promotion. Stepping in bull**** on the road to Damascus may be his way back. If he tries to continue with this current ill advised caper he'll fast become the most hated man in boxing. Hated and irrelevant.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Stokely View Post
            I don't know if it's his personal life per se that has come up for criticism. I'd suggest that it's more the way he's used the more banal and idiotic elements of it as a rather cynical self-promotional ploy.

            I personally liked him at first, until it quickly dawned on me that he was angling for a style of promotion that has the statement, 'love me or hate me, you're gonna pay to watch me' as its guiding tenet. If his actions antagonised, if people began to hate him then more the better, as long as they tuned in.

            Over in NSB some people seem to have been confused by this (or maybe just used it as an opportunity to express their racism in cultural terms) and are viewing his actions as an expression of 'Black culture' (evoked in a derogatory sense) and as an extension of the ******. His actions have little if anything to do with these two concepts (however loosely defined) because his actions are completely inauthentic. They are pure self promotion.

            What he's done is taken the braggart antagonism of early Mayweather, coupled it with Floyd's rather clever later emphasis on selling a aspirational flashy 'lifestyle' (which of course, is bull**** even in "Money's" case, as evidenced by the renting of private jets that he unsuccessfully tried to pass off as his own) and added in a bratish new generational mix of 'My Super Sweet Sixteen'.

            What he's failed to realise or take heed of though, is that once he choose to go down that road of cynically generating hatred to generate PPV sales, he had to have done the road work and learnt his craft in order to keep that '0'. Now that he's been beaten the game is up before it every really began. We've already got what he wanted us to desire. Maidana handed him back his arse on a plate as we gleefully looked on.

            At the moment he looks like the epitome of the modern celebrity, lacking substance he's chased fame through infamy, and it's back-fired. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here in terms of his attempts at self promotion. Stepping in bull**** on the road to Damascus may be his way back. If he tries to continue with this current ill advised caper he'll fast become the most hated man in boxing. Hated and irrelevant.
            I largely agree with this but I'd say that this was merely one fight, should he learn the appropriate lessons and those lessons are not necessarily changing his behaviour and image permanently, however authentic or otherwise it is, but rather make sure he is the fighter he and his promoter/tv network claim him to be. People will watch Broner if he very good in the ring and probably even if he is merely good. It just seems to me that too much of the criticism of him is directed at largely irrelevant things and elements of his image and hype and that is just as big a mistake as being taken in by that nonsense in the first place. You used the word 'hate', I can understand people not liking him, thinking that he is a complete prat (which he is) and wanting him to be beaten but 'hate' is extreme. It strikes me as simply people being naive and foolish enough to fall for all the hype and then when it finally dawns on them that he isn't all that they get hysterical in their anger towards him. I look at Broner as a world class fighter who needs to improve his skills to be an elite fighter and that all the other stuff is just pantomime, as a pantomime villain he is quite amusing.

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              #16
              I will tell Broner to take his craft seriously while playing his villain role.. Everyone expects him to be humble but he needs to do the opposite and actually become even more hateful but at the same time be 10x more dedicated to boxing.

              Something interesting Keith Thurman says in the beginning of this video about fighters that move up in weight on Nov 1:

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                #17
                Originally posted by Humean View Post
                I largely agree with this but I'd say that this was merely one fight, should he learn the appropriate lessons and those lessons are not necessarily changing his behaviour and image permanently, however authentic or otherwise it is, but rather make sure he is the fighter he and his promoter/tv network claim him to be. People will watch Broner if he very good in the ring and probably even if he is merely good. It just seems to me that too much of the criticism of him is directed at largely irrelevant things and elements of his image and hype and that is just as big a mistake as being taken in by that nonsense in the first place. You used the word 'hate', I can understand people not liking him, thinking that he is a complete prat (which he is) and wanting him to be beaten but 'hate' is extreme. It strikes me as simply people being naive and foolish enough to fall for all the hype and then when it finally dawns on them that he isn't all that they get hysterical in their anger towards him. I look at Broner as a world class fighter who needs to improve his skills to be an elite fighter and that all the other stuff is just pantomime, as a pantomime villain he is quite amusing.
                I think that part of the issue that some people also had with him (I know I did) is that as the self styled 'future of boxing' some were ill at ease with the direction that he was threatening to take the sport. That moniker now seems laughable of course, but this could have gone on for a long time had he of picked the right opponents. Who knows what he would of posted videos of next, maybe a sordid Dailymotion clip of him choking his chicken in K.F.C?

                I'm descending into obscenities, but my issue is that whilst it's obviously hypocritical to pay men to brutalise each other with one hand and then wag a finger on the other for a perceived transgression of moral codes or ethical values, there is a limit to what we should abide. I love this sport and Broner's out of the ring self promotional antics go beyond what I think are acceptable (as is dry humping you're opponent. Even if boxing does have an undercurrent of latent ****sexuality).

                It's a shame that he didn't give adequate consideration to a viewpoint that we both seem to share. Boxing skills are enough to get boxing fans to tune in, especially when they're coupled with a desire to finish the show, as Broner's are. Unfortunately that didn't seem to be enough.

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                  #18
                  Say what?

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                    #19
                    lol broner is such a **** boy. did you guys see his little dances in the ring he was doing while being hurt ahhahahaha. looks like he needed french montana with him so he wouldnt be "worried bout nuttin"

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by bambam182 View Post
                      lol broner is such a **** boy. did you guys see his little dances in the ring he was doing while being hurt ahhahahaha. looks like he needed french montana with him so he wouldnt be "worried bout nuttin"
                      u missed the entire point of this thread. But this post goes to show hes still marketable. so many people enjoy and want to see him lose that they will continue to tune in and if he wins his next few fights the hate and in return his viewers will continue to go up. Only time will tell my guess is maidana broner on mayweathers under card but who knows

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