"Who's Keith Thurman?"

[ShoulderRoll]

Finally someone else says it besides me. And if Manny agreed to all terms, what's to say Floyd doesn't come back with another obstacle to making the fight happen sooner? These were some heel tactics right out of pro wrestling.

As Travestyny mentioned, Floyd had agreed to a bunch of other terms. The only hold up was the drug testing.

Which, if you are clean, is no big deal. And it's a positive thing for the sport to have both fighters on an even playing field.

Pacquiao himself started making opponents do stricter drug testing later on. I guess it was ok when he did it, right? Because I never hear the Floyd haters utter a peep of criticism about that.

[QueensburyRules]

As Travestyny mentioned, Floyd had agreed to a bunch of other terms. The only hold up was the drug testing.

Which, if you are clean, is no big deal. And it's a positive thing for the sport to have both fighters on an even playing field.

Pacquiao himself started making opponents do stricter drug testing later on. I guess it was ok when he did it, right? Because I never hear the Floyd haters utter a peep of criticism about that.

- -U hear TBE TUE haters make a mockery of his non existent Olympic drug testing that is never negotiated.

U really are as Dim as him every time U bring it up.

[Anthony342]

As Travestyny mentioned, Floyd had agreed to a bunch of other terms. The only hold up was the drug testing.

Which, if you are clean, is no big deal. And it's a positive thing for the sport to have both fighters on an even playing field.

Pacquiao himself started making opponents do stricter drug testing later on. I guess it was ok when he did it, right? Because I never hear the Floyd haters utter a peep of criticism about that.

There were also disagreements on base pay and pay per view points. If Pac made opponents do stricter drug tests, then he should have done the same himself. At the same time, I didn't hear Floyd fans give an explanation why he all of a sudden needed stricter testing for this one opponent when he never required it before. Was Manny accused of steroid use in the past?

And Floyd isn't so squeaky clean anyway. He used a banned IV before the Manny fight. The substances were legal, but not the use of the IV, which wasn't approved until after the fight, so don't act like Floyd doesn't try to pull some shenanigans.

[travestyny]

There were also disagreements on base pay and pay per view points. If Pac made opponents do stricter drug tests, then he should have done the same himself. At the same time, I didn't hear Floyd fans give an explanation why he all of a sudden needed stricter testing for this one opponent when he never required it before. Was Manny accused of steroid use in the past?

And Floyd isn't so squeaky clean anyway. He used a banned IV before the Manny fight. The substances were legal, but not the use of the IV, which wasn't approved until after the fight, so don't act like Floyd doesn't try to pull some shenanigans.

If we are talking about the first negotiation, there were no disagreements regarding base pay and PPV. As Arum stated in the article I linked to above, everything was already agreed to.

I think the explanation for why Floyd wanted stricter drug testing for Pac is clear. He was su****ious of Pac. You could also say Pac was su****ious of Floyd attempting to cheat on the scales by having him agree to a penalty for every pound overweight he comes in. If anything, Floyd's su****ions seemed to be reinforced when Pac agreed to the testing but wanted a whopping 30 day cut-off date. When Floyd first mentioned the drug testing, Pac's team said it was no problem. Roach said it was no big deal as long as they are not blood tested 5 days before the fight, yet Pac himself wouldn't go below 24 days. That does seem fishy.

As for the IV, it was not prohibited by NSAC. The only reason it became an issue is because of WADA's rules. There was never an issue made of De La Hoya having an IV before his fight with Pac, because it wasn't against NSAC's rules.

[QueensburyRules]

If we are talking about the first negotiation, there were no disagreements regarding base pay and PPV. As Arum stated in the article I linked to above, everything was already agreed to.

I think the explanation for why Floyd wanted stricter drug testing for Pac is clear. He was su****ious of Pac. You could also say Pac was su****ious of Floyd attempting to cheat on the scales by having him agree to a penalty for every pound overweight he comes in. If anything, Floyd's su****ions seemed to be reinforced when Pac agreed to the testing but wanted a whopping 30 day cut-off date. When Floyd first mentioned the drug testing, Pac's team said it was no problem. Roach said it was no big deal as long as they are not blood tested 5 days before the fight, yet Pac himself wouldn't go below 24 days. That does seem fishy.

As for the IV, it was not prohibited by NSAC. The only reason it became an issue is because of WADA's rules. There was never an issue made of De La Hoya having an IV before his fight with Pac, because it wasn't against NSAC's rules.

- -WADA = Olympic testing

Vegas = New Mob that cooked the judging and reffing for the last 40+% of TBE TUE career that allows this 2 Wks backdated TUE.

After TBE TUE failed to make the 3/13/2010 reserved fight at MGM, he took on over a year's rust BALCO Shane on short notice.

***Note for the untutored among U: USADA/WADA never caught a BALCO Olympic athlete. They and BALCO Shane along with BALCO Barry Bonds were on BALCO client lists found when the FBI raided VADA Vic Conte's lab. That bust generated a fortune for lawyers, felony charges and convictions and more than a few ruined careers.

Vic and his little hunchback Igor aka Meme Heredia still sell their magic potions that BALCO Juan used in his last two Manny fights where he finally scored his first KD and Hail Mary KO.

Meanwhile TBE TUE runs one of the dirtiest promotions in boxing after repeated busts of his fighters by conventional commish tests.

BUSTED! A world hero for woman beaters and other sleazy n'er do wells everywhere!!!

[Anthony342]

If we are talking about the first negotiation, there were no disagreements regarding base pay and PPV. As Arum stated in the article I linked to above, everything was already agreed to.

I think the explanation for why Floyd wanted stricter drug testing for Pac is clear. He was su****ious of Pac. You could also say Pac was su****ious of Floyd attempting to cheat on the scales by having him agree to a penalty for every pound overweight he comes in. If anything, Floyd's su****ions seemed to be reinforced when Pac agreed to the testing but wanted a whopping 30 day cut-off date. When Floyd first mentioned the drug testing, Pac's team said it was no problem. Roach said it was no big deal as long as they are not blood tested 5 days before the fight, yet Pac himself wouldn't go below 24 days. That does seem fishy.

As for the IV, it was not prohibited by NSAC. The only reason it became an issue is because of WADA's rules. There was never an issue made of De La Hoya having an IV before his fight with Pac, because it wasn't against NSAC's rules.

But why was he su****ious of Pac?

[QueensburyRules]

- -He Daddy told JoyBoy a horror story about Manny that had him wetting his bed for years after.

[The Old LefHook]

Not for no reason does Mayweather have a mediocre legacy. That tears his heart out, too. It is his mediocre ledger. Tougher challenges were always available, but he did not want them.

[travestyny]

But why was he su****ious of Pac?

He was su****ious of Pac because Pac was doing things like getting his eardrum badly ruptured vs. Cotto but no one even knew it until reports came out about it.

If I can take a guess, I believe Pac had been abusing Toradol for a good portion of his career. His doctor was busted trying to shoot up Pac with Toradol in the dressing room before the Mayweather fight, and the NSAC doctors put a stop to it after the doctor admit that Pac didn't need it. His doctor also admit that Pac was at 100% going into the fight. That's just my humble opinion, but as he has never been caught cheating, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

[travestyny]

Not for no reason does Mayweather have a mediocre legacy. That tears his heart out, too. It is his mediocre ledger. Tougher challenges were always available, but he did not want them.

If being "runner up" for fighter of one decade and winning fighter of the next decade is a mediocre legacy, God help these boxers.