Intimidation. Sonny Liston.

[Dariusz]

Even Ali looked scared when he faced Liston. I wonder who of modern era HW champs could resist his fear when standing in front of Sonny. OK, I know Fury would be clowning etc. but I am convinced he would be scared deep inside. Such fighters as Joshua or Wilder would be scared as ****. Golota would practically cancelled the fight just after a staredown. Kownacki, in his careless ******ity, would smile at staredown and would regret it sooner than in last Helenius battle. If Mike Tyson and George Foreman said that Liston was the scariest human being ever in the ring, there is something in it.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Even Ali looked scared when he faced Liston. I wonder who of modern era HW champs could resist his fear when standing in front of Sonny. OK, I know Fury would be clowning etc. but I am convinced he would be scared deep inside. Such fighters as Joshua or Wilder would be scared as ****. Golota would practically cancelled the fight just after a staredown. Kownacki, in his careless ******ity, would smile at staredown and would regret it sooner than in last Helenius battle. If Mike Tyson and George Foreman said that Liston was the scariest human being ever in the ring, there is something in it.

I dunno who you're talking about.

The only Sonny Liston I know couldn't put away Machen.

Not very intimidating.

[MDPopescu]

... Sonny Liston was really "doomed", tbh.... he had to drop fights because of "politics"...

[Tatabanya]

Even Ali looked scared when he faced Liston. I wonder who of modern era HW champs could resist his fear when standing in front of Sonny. OK, I know Fury would be clowning etc. but I am convinced he would be scared deep inside. Such fighters as Joshua or Wilder would be scared as ****. Golota would practically cancelled the fight just after a staredown. Kownacki, in his careless ******ity, would smile at staredown and would regret it sooner than in last Helenius battle. If Mike Tyson and George Foreman said that Liston was the scariest human being ever in the ring, there is something in it.

Well, Tyson and Foreman are gentlemen when they refer to past greats.

However, I believe that both, in their prime, would have defeated Liston.

[Dariusz]

Well, Tyson and Foreman are gentlemen when they refer to past greats.

However, I believe that both, in their prime, would have defeated Liston.

Yes, but I am not talking about winning, I am talking only about intimidation aspect.

[BKM-]

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He hid his "fear' pretty well then.

Who wouldn't fear Sonny? Evander fears no man, only God. Evander would go straight at him. You can't scare a man who knows he's going to heaven even if he gets killed in that ring.

Not only would he not fear Sonny but the tables would be turned once Evander finds out Sonny's a bully. It happened with Tyson. Here's Mike shitting his pants in the rematch staredown while Evander is staring right through his facade.

[Tatabanya]

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He hid his "fear' pretty well then.

Who wouldn't fear Sonny? Evander fears no man, only God. Evander would go straight at him. You can't scare a man who knows he's going to heaven even if he gets killed in that ring.

Not only would he not fear Sonny but the tables would be turned once Evander finds out Sonny's a bully. It happened with Tyson. Here's Mike shitting his pants in the rematch staredown while Evander is staring right through his facade.

Tyson was not famous for staredowns, though he did some early on in his career.

When he destroyed Michael Spinks, he didn't even look him in the eye before going to work.

The mental state of Tyson when he faced Holyfield was deteriorated due to jail time, Don King abuse and (probably) drug problems. I honestly find the "sh�tting his pants" theory laughable, given what Tyson has seen and been through since he was a kid.

Ultimately, it's Holyfield who was always wearing a mask of Christian Soldier toughness (supported by PEDs, lest one forgets), whereas Tyson is what he has always been: a man uncapable of hiding his emotional turmoil.

[BKM-]

Tyson was not famous for staredowns, though he did some early on in his career.

There has literally never been a boxer in history more famous for staredowns than Bite Tython.

When he destroyed Michael Spinks, he didn't even look him in the eye before going to work.

He explained it in his 09 bio flick. Sometimes he wouldn't look them in eyes the untill the end before they walk back to their corners. Or he'd just stare them down from the start.

It was all calculated on his part. Against Evander he looked very shook, he couldn't look Evander in the eyes, his eyebrows were going higher up on his face. Deer in headlights. But Evander was ice cold.

The mental state of Tyson when he faced Holyfield was deteriorated due to jail time, Don King abuse and (probably) drug problems. I honestly find the "sh�tting his pants" theory laughable, given what Tyson has seen and been through since he was a kid.

Ultimately, it's Holyfield who was always wearing a mask of Christian Soldier toughness (supported by PEDs, lest one forgets), whereas Tyson is what he has always been: a man uncapable of hiding his emotional turmoil.

This is a mess of nonsense, really. I don't even know where to begin to dismantle what you just said, every single word and letter is wrong.

Are you seriously trying to compare the mental toughness of Holyfield(one of the toughest minds ever in boxing) and Tyson(one of the weakest minds ever in boxing) ?

[Tatabanya]

Are you seriously trying to compare the mental toughness of Holyfield(one of the toughest minds ever in boxing) and Tyson(one of the weakest minds ever in boxing) ?

No. In fact I ended my post by writing the exact contrary, namely that Tyson was not able to hide his internal mess. He showed his weaknesses time and again, he spoke and wrote about them at length, and is more loved than Holyfield by most people exactly for those reasons.

However, one thing is being mentally unstable and another "sh�tting his pants". Just go back and watch the staredown in Tyson vs Holyfield I. It doesn't look to me that Mike was that scared of Evander.

Ultimately, they're friends now, which I genuinely love to see.

But I see you're too enamored of Holyfield (and biased against Tyson) to be really objective in the evaluation, therefore this exchange is basically useless.

[Rusty Tromboni]

No. In fact I ended my post by writing the exact contrary, namely that Tyson was not able to hide his internal mess. He showed his weaknesses time and again, he spoke and wrote about them at length, and is more loved than Holyfield by most people exactly for those reasons.

However, one thing is being mentally unstable and another "sh�tting his pants". Just go back and watch the staredown in Tyson vs Holyfield I. It doesn't look to me that Mike was that scared of Evander.

Ultimately, they're friends now, which I genuinely love to see.

But I see you're too enamored of Holyfield (and biased against Tyson) to be really objective in the evaluation, therefore this exchange is basically useless.

They wven have the same nurse changing their diapers.