Could Wilder have bombed it out with Rid**** Bowe?

[Rusty Tromboni]

You forgot the part that Bowe is superior in every single category than Wilder outside of the right hand, if that even. We haven't seen him spark anyone that Bowe wouldn't have done just as easily.

Wilders jab won't be hitting anything but air because he doesn't know how to throw one. This fights over fast and Bowe walks through him, takes perhaps a good right in the process but isn't anywhere close to being put to sleep.

We appreciate your input, buddy. But really I know what you'll say without you ever having to say it.

Just out curiosity, what fights are you referencing? Any rounds in particular?

[them_apples]

Yeah, across 400 years and how many divisions and how many alphabet soup organizations?


Clancy, Arcel, Dundee, Gore, Lomachenko... these are examples of great trainers.

We honestly didn't see anything great from Bowe. He beat subpar competition just like Wilder, but needed more punches to do the same thing.

He's become like Marciano, where it's just accepted that he'll beat everyone without any supporting reason.

I don't remember Wilder beating anyone close to the level of a prime Holyfield.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I don't remember Wilder beating anyone close to the level of a prime Holyfield.

You mean that guy whom you spend so much time telling us was a Light Heavyweight? The one that ran head-first into Bowe's punches?

In the second fight of their series Holyfield actually won by Boxing. Not a Whitaker-Ramierex fight, either. Just Holyfield staying mobile and not bum-rushing into exchanges with a bigger man. Bowe still has the better jab, but didn't know how to use it... like in the fight with the Cuban.

Sorry no matter how much you want it to, that series doesn't sell Bowe's case.

Really he doesn't have anything else on his ledger that separates his competition from Beyonce's. He could have faced Lewis - who's chinny, smaller and less powerful than Wilder - but he didn't want that smoke.

[nubianpiye]

Bowe was exceptional Wilder isn't very good so that would be a one sided beat down by big daddy Bowe

[Rusty Tromboni]

Bowe was exceptional Wilder isn't very good so that would be a one sided beat down by big daddy Bowe

We're talking about Boxing, not a Hot Dog-eating contest.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I just rewatch holyfield-Bowe I.

I forgot how well Holyfield did. Obviously Bowe. There's dis*****g that. But it kinda reminded me of Lewis-Holield II. I nthat, Holyfield was muscled up and more complete defenisvely. Here, he had his youth, but wasn't as big and took more clean punches. Anyway, they're similar in that Holyfield plenty to hit, he fast and busy; what hurt him was his lack of power. The big man, in both fights, won for being... well, big.

I'm not suggesting Holyfiled and WIlder fight the same. But both Bowe and Lewis benefited greatly from the being big, and an opponent who lacked compensatory power. Wilder makes a lot of mistakes. But one mistake he doesn't make is missing the iron when it's hot.

Bowe won't bully the bigger wilder. He WILL get hit by something hard.


It's so funny. Hilarious realy. That people here now arguing for Bowe, were arguing against him when he was paired with smaller, softhitting Frazier.

I know aren't trolling per se. It's more kamikaze missions to defend you sacred cows. It's comical, but more than just a little weird.

[nubianpiye]

This is laughable who has wilder ever beat to prove he’s anything other than c class as a heavy is anticipate an early stoppage for bowe first four rounds

[Rusty Tromboni]

This okis laughable who has wilder ever beat to prove he�s anything other than c class as a heavy is anticipate an early stoppage for bowe first four rounds

Yeah, I'd say that.


If I were re.tarded.

You know who talked like that?

The guy who picked Sullivan to beat Corbett.

The guy who picked Fitz to beat Jeffries.

The guy who picked Johnson to beat Willard

The guy who picked Dempsey to beat Tunney.

The guy who picked Baer to beat Louis.

The guy who picked Patterson to beat Ingo.

The guy who picked Liston to beat Clay.

The guy who picked Frazier to veat Foreman.

The guy who picked Ali to beat Norton.

The guy who picked Holmes to beat Tyson.

You see where we're going with this?

Fact: Wilder proved more ability and grit in his two losses to Fury than Bowe proved in his entite career.

Can you imagine Ginzalez or Mathis surviving more than two Rounds against Wilder!? Golota!?

Bowe needed over 30 rounds to FINALLY put away a Cruiserweight. Let's not forget that included Big Belly Bowe getting out-Boxed by a guy with half the skill or size of Fury... and at least Wilder sent Fury to the cavas twice.

It's funny. No one arguing for Wilder is drumming up his competition - it's his performances against them that matter. Conversely, the clowns celebrating Bowe are trying to make him into a Heavyweight Harry Greb, but downplaying his performances.

For you downlow boiz who like 90s Urban culuture there's a song I'd like to reference:
Things that make you go Hmmmmm?

[nubianpiye]

Yeah, I'd say that.


If I were re.tarded.

You know who talked like that?

The guy who picked Sullivan to beat Corbett.

The guy who picked Fitz to beat Jeffries.

The guy who picked Johnson to beat Willard

The guy who picked Dempsey to beat Tunney.

The guy who picked Baer to beat Louis.

The guy who picked Patterson to beat Ingo.

The guy who picked Liston to beat Clay.

The guy who picked Frazier to veat Foreman.

The guy who picked Ali to beat Norton.

The guy who picked Holmes to beat Tyson.

You see where we're going with this?

Fact: Wilder proved more ability and grit in his two losses to Fury than Bowe proved in his entite career.

Can you imagine Ginzalez or Mathis surviving more than two Rounds against Wilder!? Golota!?

Bowe needed over 30 rounds to FINALLY put away a Cruiserweight. Let's not forget that included Big Belly Bowe getting out-Boxed by a guy with half the skill or size of Fury... and at least Wilder sent Fury to the cavas twice.

It's funny. No one arguing for Wilder is drumming up his competition - it's his performances against them that matter. Conversely, the clowns celebrating Bowe are trying to make him into a Heavyweight Harry Greb, but downplaying his performances.

For you downlow boiz who like 90s Urban culuture there's a song I'd like to reference:
Things that make you go Hmmmmm?

Grit does not make you a good fighter alone. Wilder is not a good fighter he is an unskilled powerpuncher. Any ATG beats him because he is a c+ fighter with good power and nothing more.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Grit does not make you a good fighter alone. Wilder is not a good fighter he is an unskilled powerpuncher. Any ATG beats him because he is a c+ fighter with good power and nothing more.

40 dudes who've made their career in the ring would disagree.