Most Overrated Fighters of All-Time

[billeau2]

- -Pea took it to Rog harder than any he fought and pulled his trunks down too.

Almost paid the price when Rog put him on ***** Street late round, but Pea pulled it out. Had he shown this much vim and vigor in his career and not suffered from the era nose candy, I'd rate him among the best instead of just among the best natural talents.

Jcc criticized for mediocre boxing skills, but when he fought Rog, he was in full sway of his Mexican Assassin phase and Chavez still nobody, yet boxed and moved beautifully to slowly break him down in a clinic. After that Chavez fell in love with his power, chin, and conditioning to become the monster and hung on too long as he succumbed to the nose candy, women, and entourage mentality.

Pea did not take it to Rog, Rog got in his melon. It would be like if we fought...I would not even have to throw a punch...I would juke and jab and when I really had you on the ropes? I would use...Sarcasm!

[Rusty Tromboni]

That's your opinion. What is more or less impressive would depend on the context of who they fought, when, and the nature of the wins/losses.

In any case it's certainly not out of bounds to consider Chavez the best to ever come out of Mexico. Regardless of your personal feelings about him.

dude, I come from wrestling. I am the BIGGEST fan of most of the Junior Weight Divisions. (In fact, I would have done it like this from the start: 108, 112,116, 120, 126,133, 140, 147, 160). But believe me, Chavez and Arguello, two of the greatest of our day, definitely benefited from the presence of junior weight divisions. No way Chavez is as accomplished as Canto and Olivares. No way at all.

Canto might be the greatest Flyweight of all-time. Mostly based on his championship reign, partly on the footage. It's a ***** division, and Lightweight is the best. But Canto: arguably the best Flyweight ever; Chavez: probably not a top 10 Lightweight.

I like Chavez a lot. But he almost made his way onto the OP.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Bud & Loma

LOL, Loma is the best fighter we have on film, and no one can match his career ascent.

Seriously, he'll retire second only to Harry Greb in greatness.

maybe you need a new sport?


Judging by that Leprachaun you have picture of, I'd suggest college football: starting w/ Notre Dame.

[joseph5620]

Jack Dempsey

[Rusty Tromboni]

Jack Dempsey

People stopped ranking him #1 Heavyweight long ago. But in terms of natural talent and ability to overcome adversity he might still be the best by that measure.

Fact: if he had come of age in any other era before Vitali Klitchko, he still would have been the best Heavyweight in the world.

[joseph5620]

People stopped ranking him #1 Heavyweight long ago. But in terms of natural talent and ability to overcome adversity he might still be the best by that measure.

Fact: if he had come of age in any other era before Vitali Klitchko, he still would have been the best Heavyweight in the world.

That's an opinion not a fact. It also confirms my belief that he's extremely overrated.

[DeeMoney]

So I went back and listened to the interview with the authors of “Ali By the Numbers.” They did Compubox analysis of every Ali fight save one I believe. They even got access to judge scorecards for many fights, and could compare punch numbers with judge scorecards. Here are some highlights of what they found:

Ali was outlanded by Jimmy Young, 222-113, in their 1976 fight. Round one, Ali threw 5 punches to Young’s 74. Young out-landed Ali 18-0. Two of the judges scored the round even.

Round 3, same fight. Ali our-landed 21-7, out thrown 78-26. Two judges gave the round to Ali, the third had it a tie.

Ali won the fight on points, easily. Impossible to say whether the fight was fixed, or if this was the sort of deference some judges showed to champions.

The authors found other rounds in which Ali didn’t land a punch. Two against Ron Lyles alone! Michael Spinks landed 419 punches against Ali and only got a split decision.

I tell you, we boxing fans complain about judging, sometimes justifiably. But the judging we have today is not as bad as what Ali benefitted from.

Couple off topic points: First, the part in bold- those are the exact same percentage. So all those who argue "effective aggression" would argue that Ali is equally effective and probably utilizing better defense since his opponent missed so much. I am not one of them, but they are out there- the kind who would reward throwing 2 and landing 1 over throwing 25 and landing 10.

Second, I would love for someone to do a study like this for a large number of fights, but then cross reference it with individual judges. We would get a clearer picture of what some judges specifically look for (ie do they award volume more often than not, or clean power punches, etc). I know there are articulated criteria, but they are fairly vague, and it would be interesting to see what individual judges look for.

[Mr.365]

LOL, Loma is the best fighter we have on film, and no one can match his career ascent.

Seriously, he'll retire second only to Harry Greb in greatness.

maybe you need a new sport?


Judging by that Leprachaun you have picture of, I'd suggest college football: starting w/ Notre Dame.

Best fighter on film alright Keep lying to yourself you Clown ass loser acting like LomaCabdrivers will reach a Floyd Mayweather level of eliteness. Hype job will get exposed even more by Mikey, Tank, & even by Pacquiao if they ever fight

That 'leprechaun' in my picture has kept boxing alive + relevant unlike LomaDishwasher and SAUL ALVAREZ has never been dropped by bums like Linares

[GGG Gloveking]

Best fighter on film alright Keep lying to yourself you Clown ass loser acting like LomaCabdrivers will reach a Floyd Mayweather level of eliteness. Hype job will get exposed even more by Mikey, Tank, & even by Pacquiao if they ever fight

That 'leprechaun' in my picture has kept boxing alive + relevant unlike LomaDishwasher and SAUL ALVAREZ has never been dropped by bums like Linares

Oddly enough, your video makes a nice counter point. It's says "winners are not defined by their failures, but their ability to get back up and try again."

[Rusty Tromboni]

That's an opinion not a fact. It also confirms my belief that he's extremely overrated.

Jack's as naturally gifted a heavyweight as we have seen. Really, he's amongst the most talented fighters we've seen at any weight, period. He fought in an era when many fighters were still crude and there was a dearth of meaningful Heavyweight challengers.

It's pretty obvious that he would have benefited from the coddeling guys like Ali and Holyfield enjoyed, along with the superior "medicine".


I really don't see how anyone can dispute that. Forget bulking him up 25 pounds, and giving him a lengthy amateur career and a padded career on track to his first title fight. That would all help, but you don't need to go that far:
Just let Dempsey have one (long) training camp w/ a master like Gil Clancy, and you'd have a man who'd be ready for more "modern" opponents.

That's not opinion that's fact. LaMotta and Qawi, much, much lesser men than Dempsey, enjoyed very successful careers with a few skills that Jack could easily adapt.

I'm not saying he becomes Eder Jofre or Harold Johnson, but he could very quickly make adaptations to his game to compete in latter generations, and succeed.