Has anyone ever been caught for roids in a fight where someone was seriously injured?
If so what happen as a result???
If so what happen as a result???
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Arthur Abraham-jermaine Taylor? Taylor got ktfoOriginally posted by Geralt69 View Post -
I remember that fight! It was good. Part of that original crappy tournament i believe....Originally posted by krazyn8tive View Post
So....
Taylor got hurt? And Artur was on drugs?
I don't remember that....Comment
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Could make for an interesting civil suit; gross negligence.
It would be tough to show that the injury had a direct cause to the roid use; possibly if it came as a 'rage' after the bell or something like that.Comment
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Taylor's did get hurt but I thought I remember he was on something...maybe it was a later fight. I can't remember.Originally posted by Geralt69 View PostComment
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David Price and Erkan Teper, although Price was not seriously hurt but got knocked out hard.Originally posted by Geralt69 View PostComment
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Hasn't Price been cheated a few times?Originally posted by OctoberRed View Post
If Taylor got hurt. And Artur was juiced surely there must be legal ramifications???Originally posted by Dempsey-Louis View Post
Attempted manslaughter....
Or what If Taylor decided to retire and said he was to damaged to fight because the drugs gave artur super human strength. Couldn't he sue Artur for loss of earnings??Comment
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Originally posted by Geralt69 View Post
I was about to write it would be a complicated mess, but I guess I should say it will be a complicated mess. I suspect such action is coming.
There is a charge called attempted murder but no attempted manslaughter . . .
the charge would be battery, whereas with loaded gloves the charge would rise to aggravated battery because a weapon is involved (the loaded gloves), but it would be a hard press to turn a legal prize fight into battery (a criminal act) because of drug use. All prize fights are already legalized battery.
The fighter with the drugs in his system, the juiced fighter, is already hitting the other fighter as hard as he can anyway so what part of the act could we call battery? Can we call the juice a 'weapon' and then make the charge aggravated battery? Maybe.
I think it is coming, but I see it as a civil tort resulting in a law suit; I can't see it becoming a criminal act, unless of course the juiced fighter, because of the drugs acts outside the proper parameters of the legal prize fight. e.g. attacking his unsuspecting opponent after the bell has clearly ended the fight.
I believe there has already been battery charges brought against fighters for doing just that, but if you add in the roids you might move the charge from battery to aggravated battery.
But if the juiced fighter hurts the other fighter within the confines of the game I don't think there is a criminal act happening. I can't see the juice being viewed as a deadly weapon, (like loaded gloves are) but maybe someday it will be.
I can see roid use being viewed as an act of gross negligence resulting in injury. I don't know how that will play out legally but I do think the premise will eventually be tested.Comment
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This gets into a whole theme in this section: One where Travesty brought up Dempsey for example. Traditionally when we look at a fighter we tend to see a sportsman, a man unshaken in his conviction that he is the best and need only compete in a fair environment to show his honorable intentions and that he is the better man.
This theme goes so far as to appeal to the schizophrenic American ideal where: "No man is an Island" competes with "Every man for himself." a place where like Dempsey we are to pick ourselves up by our bootstraps, no matter how big and strong the hobo may be, if I want to eat, let me be worthy!
Well... There is a whole other side to things. The fighter's business is such, we can imagine a bus on sesame street with a doctor wearing his stethoscope, a construction worker, his tool belt, and a boxer, in his trunks and robe...The boxer as someone who goes to work must seek to keep his body, the tools of his trade, in the best possible condition at all times. When we talk of wraps, medicines, steroidal preparations, in a sense this is what we are talking about. Fighters have always been looking for a way to heal faster, hit harder, etc and the law has always recognized that in this pursuit there is a grey area.
Toney when accused of steriods made the point that they were taken to heal an injury... this makes sense. As I have pointed out to some, fighters packing the hands traditionally at least, was to make sure the hands did not break, a real danger during a fight. And... we certainly would not yell at the doctor for making his stethoscope better so he could hear the heart valves better than the doc across town...nor would we lecture the costruction worker on weilding Thor's hammer itself!
Part of the issue is one of vocational integrity, and in so far as that is the case, there is a deliberate grey area where the law cannot be used to incriminate a fighter. Obviously some cross this line. All grey areas are like that, there will always be those that are sociopaths, con men, etc.Comment
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