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    Articles I wrote 11 Tyson Fury Billeau (dsimon)

    This article was written about the Gypsy King.



    - You are a twenty something year old man with a family…a contract killer by trade who puts on the kibosh when called to do so?You get a big job to kill Mr Evil.

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    The conditions are you work with another trigger man, we will call him ?”Smiley.?This contract is the kind of money that can set you up?as you look at that family of yours you silently determine that Mr Evil is going down! Soon enough the big day arrives, everyone is in position, when Smiley calls it off due to having a hang nail on his trigger finger. The boss likes you guys and gives you another chance and wouldn’t you know it? Smiley once again calls it off, this time for good.

    This scenario describes in a different context, exactly what happened to Tyson Fury during his supposed fight to take place with David Haye.

    Read on after the break, or discuss in our boxing forum.

    When one wonders about the behavior of Tyson Fury, a man called arrogant, ****y and delusional regarding his skill level by some, one thing that should not be mysterious at all, is his acrimony towards David Haye. In many respects Haye represents the new school of heavyweight boxing. Talented,self absorbed, and safety conscious to a fault, Haye fights infrequently and apparently only under ideal conditions. Haye claims that Fury is easy work yet he let a minor cut stop a fight that would have been a financial success for both men.

    Did Haye have the ability to beat Fury relatively easily? Most boxing pundits tend to think so. Haye, like the Klitschkos is part of the new and improved heavyweights that rule the roost these days?or so we are told. They quit fights when their shoulder is bothering them (Vitali Klitschko), they hold on for dear life instead of fighting tooth and nail inside, and in general they seem to take the easy way out at every turn, fighting horrendous mandatory challengers with little chance for success instead of young and hungry competitors that are a real threat. Is it any wonder why the last exciting heavyweight contest was a fight, i.e. a grudge match, between David Haye and Derrick Chisora? A fight that the British boxing commission was fully intent on stopping because the excitement might be too much for people raised on such a spectacle as Klitschko’s last heavyweight defense.

    Since Lennox Lewis stepped down the heavyweight division has become a place where fighters avoid each other, are often touted and exposed by journeymen and in general seem to fall short of any real, lasting success. When a fighter occasionally does show potential the fighter is avoided like the plague.

    The Klitschko brothers have maintained a virtual strangle hold over the rest of the division…Vlad Klitschko has become, by default, the one eyed man in the land of the blind as he holds, avoids and tries to convince others that a delivery truck driver is the most talented opponent he can defend his title against. Where does it all end?

    There is a certain school of thought that believes talent is only one ingredient when it comes to creating a true champion. Put another way: was it Tyson’s power, or his desire to wreck anyone not the referee that made Cus secure in the knowledge he had found the next champion? Old school doctrine states emphatically that the well-to-do, well adjusted, educated man while fit for many endeavors, may lack the hardscrabble, chaotic and violent upbringing that makes a true boxing champion. A man brought up old school does not duck opponents. This man fights when his shoulder hurts and would sooner dismember himself than complain about a toe injury inhibiting him.

    Recently Fury was asked about the science and technique of boxing and his answer is revealing: Fury considers a fight a test of wills, a chance to show who the better man is through enduring the punishment of a rival and giving it back in spades?Just what the division needs at the moment! Fighters like Fury and Chisora represent a throwback to a time when if you didn’t know much else

    about your opponent you at least knew he came to fight. In Fury’s fight this weekend many wise boxing sages will point to his conditioning, the punches he took from a journeyman, etc?But Fury does things his way, and at the end of the night his opponent got knocked down four times and got up three.

    How talented is Fury? This question is a red herring?Fury has already beaten good fighters. We might well ask this question when considering Ruiz, or a pre-Thompson version of David Price, but Tyson Fury has shown the ability to impose himself on guys like the Kingpin and Chisora. Fury has skills and power, he can box well and when in shape can fight into the later rounds. He also can be lethargic, careless, and vulnerable to the trickery of a crafty vet (like Cunningham). Fury is good enough to be considered a challenger by Vlad Klitschko.

    Meanwhile Vlad is intent on avoiding any fight that could even remotely be considered a risk to his reign. Talent alone can only get one so far anyway. If I had a dime for every guy who hit the skids but was talented I might be writing this from 5th avenue! Michael Spinks is considered by some the most talented light heavyweight that ever boxed…yet for all his talent a young determined Tyson had him beat before the bell rung. We have young fighters coming up like Andy Ruiz, Chisora, Fury, Wilder, etc. Along the way many of these fighters will experience the cold winds of exposure a la David Price, but there is no lack of talent here per se.

    Many guys talk a good game, but either have the attitude of a David Haye/Vlad Klitschko, or are not ready to leave it all in the ring. Give me a guy who takes it personally, who grew up fighting and who isn’t intimidated?A guy who may well get knocked down but who will make sure he punches back and who will not quit when he feels over matched, but instead will get angry and attack.

    And its not that Fury does not have talent! Fury can move very well for a big man, he has experience as well. He punches with power and has the ability to end It when the damage has been done. But more to the point I trust Fury. I know that if given an opportunity Tyson Fury will make sure that he goes after Vlad Klitschko with a vengeance. You see?Tyson Fury does not believe in being out skilled, nor does he believe in the many technical details that people like to discuss while eating cucumber and watercress sandwiches!

    All Tyson Fury seems to believe in is his ability to be the last man standing in that ring?and thats good enough for me

    #2
    Just to clarify did you write this before the fight?.

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      #3
      Originally posted by StudentOfDaGame View Post
      Just to clarify did you write this before the fight?.
      Oh yeah quite a bit before

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        #4
        "Recently Fury was asked about the science and technique of boxing and his answer is revealing: Fury considers a fight a test of wills, a chance to show who the better man is through enduring the punishment of a rival and giving it back in spades….Just what the division needs at the moment!"

        That was a good read and a good call. Spinks said in a press conference before the Tyson fight that "if I win" which was just as good as admitting defeat before the fight. Fury has the mental game on lock. I recall Manny Steward (RIP) talked about Wlad's confidence as being fragile

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          #5
          Originally posted by iamboxing View Post
          "Recently Fury was asked about the science and technique of boxing and his answer is revealing: Fury considers a fight a test of wills, a chance to show who the better man is through enduring the punishment of a rival and giving it back in spades?Just what the division needs at the moment!"

          That was a good read and a good call. Spinks said in a press conference before the Tyson fight that "if I win" which was just as good as admitting defeat before the fight. Fury has the mental game on lock. I recall Manny Steward (RIP) talked about Wlad's confidence as being fragile
          Thank you. Yes...Vlad had confidence issues for sure.

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            #6
            Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

            Since Lennox Lewis stepped down the heavyweight division has become a place where fighters avoid each other, are often touted and exposed by journeymen and in general seem to fall short of any real, lasting success. When a fighter occasionally does show potential the fighter is avoided like the plague.
            Lets get one thing straight people! The Kiltschko's did not duck any of their mandatory fighters or any real contenders! Waldimir Kiltschko pretty much beat every fighter that mattered in the heavyweight division, during his reign! (The only fights of any magnitude that did not happen where fights with David Tua & Nikolai Valuev!)......but lets also remember that Wladimir Kiltschko faced and beat David Haye the man who dethroned Nikolai Valuev! And unfortunately David Tua only has himself to blame, he made critical mistakes with his career such as? sticking with very poor promoters, and having a incessant inability to keep himself in optimal condition 365 days per year! (Which was a great shame, because he is probably the best heavyweight of the past 20 years never to win a heavyweight world title!)....

            Tyson Fury in my opinion? is a very talented and optimistic fighter! but he is not the heavyweight champion of the world! (Champions defend their belts, Lions and Tigers defend their territory with dignity and honor! The fact of the matter is? Tyson Fury has not displayed those pugilistic virtues! My favorite current Heavyweight is David Haye, but as a man.........i have to give credit where it is due! Wladimir Kiltschko whether people like it or not, is the last worldwide recognized Heavyweight Champion of the world! He was beaten by Tyson Fury, but his light was not put out! and his flame is still burning inside....

            Wladimir Kitschko is still symbolically the bench mark within the heavyweight division! (Because nobody has truly put his lights out!)....

            Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 02-20-2017, 01:28 AM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
              Lets get one thing straight people! The Kiltschko's did not duck any of their mandatory fighters or any real contenders! Waldimir Kiltschko pretty much beat every fighter that mattered in the heavyweight division, during his reign! (The only fights of any magnitude that did not happen where fights with David Tua & Nikolai Valuev!)......but lets also remember that Wladimir Kiltschko faced and beat David Haye the man who dethroned Nikolai Valuev! And unfortunately David Tua only has himself to blame, he made critical mistakes with his career such as? sticking with very poor promoters, and having a incessant inability to keep himself in optimal condition 365 days per year! (Which was a great shame, because he is probably the best heavyweight of the past 20 years never to win a heavyweight world title!)....

              Tyson Fury in my opinion? is a very talented and optimistic fighter! but he is not the heavyweight champion of the world! (Champions defend their belts, Lions and Tigers defend their territory with dignity and honor! The fact of the matter is? Tyson Fury has not displayed those pugilistic virtues! My favorite current Heavyweight is David Haye, but as a man.........i have to give credit where it is due! Wladimir Kiltschko whether people like it or not, is the last worldwide recognized Heavyweight Champion of the world! He was beaten by Tyson Fury, but his light was not put out! and his flame is still burning inside....

              Wladimir Kitschko is still symbolically the bench mark within the heavyweight division! (Because nobody has truly put his lights out!)....

              First point: Fighting your mandatory is not the same as fighting the biggest challenge. Your quite right that Klitsko generally fought his mandatories...yet couldn't rematch Corrie Sanders for example, and waited to fight Brewster at the opportune time. Lewis fought many guys who were a real threat, often enough forsaking his "mandatory" for example, avoiding John Ruiz to face Michael Grant, a much scarier fighter.

              "Nobody has put his lights out?" I assume your speaking metaphorically... Certainly Vlad has shown that he is not a stoop shouldered beaten pug...yet his lights have been put out in the ring a few times. And in no case did he offer an immediate rematch like Lewis did on those occasions.

              Regarding Tyson, he has problems. he is very talented, coming from a family that taught him legitimate boxing skills, but his problems are a mountain at the moment.

              Your a bit naive about Vlad. He is indeed a well educated and probably a very nice person. As a role model he also fits the bill I suppose...though some of us parents are would still prefer the rebellious Ali, as the one for our kids to look up to in Pugalism. Vlad has always been about safety first, in the ring and in choosing his opposition. Talented, yes, but a great fighter? thats debatable. history will tell us I suppose.

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                #8
                I'd say if he comes back and wins a belt or two, he could be said to be at least the best of his era. Seems like Wilder or Joshua would most likely unify the division though when Wlad retires.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
                  First point: Fighting your mandatory is not the same as fighting the biggest challenge. Your quite right that Klitsko generally fought his mandatories...yet couldn't rematch Corrie Sanders for example, and waited to fight Brewster at the opportune time. Lewis fought many guys who were a real threat, often enough forsaking his "mandatory" for example, avoiding John Ruiz to face Michael Grant, a much scarier fighter.

                  "Nobody has put his lights out?" I assume your speaking metaphorically... Certainly Vlad has shown that he is not a stoop shouldered beaten pug...yet his lights have been put out in the ring a few times. And in no case did he offer an immediate rematch like Lewis did on those occasions.

                  Regarding Tyson, he has problems. he is very talented, coming from a family that taught him legitimate boxing skills, but his problems are a mountain at the moment.

                  Your a bit naive about Vlad. He is indeed a well educated and probably a very nice person. As a role model he also fits the bill I suppose...though some of us parents are would still prefer the rebellious Ali, as the one for our kids to look up to in Pugalism. Vlad has always been about safety first, in the ring and in choosing his opposition. Talented, yes, but a great fighter? thats debatable. history will tell us I suppose.
                  Lamon Brewster defeated Wladimir Kiltschko before he was champion, and so did Corrie Sanders! Those fights where essential turning points in his career, which made him the fighter he was! The fact of the matter is? Once Wladimir Kiltschko became the Heavyweight Champion of the world, he faced his mandatory challengers and he also faced his biggest dangers! (David Haye who is my current favorite heavyweight was probably his most dangerous challenger!).....and he did rematch Lamon Brewster! As a heavyweight champion Wladimir Kiltschko has shown pugilistic virtues, more so than Tyson Fury or any of the other heavyweight champions since Lennox Lewis! And that is why he is still symbolically the bench mark! Tyson Fury is not the bench mark; you cannot live off one fight forever!

                  Lions and Tigers defend their territory, and they only leave if they are defeated! For whatever personal reason’s…......Tyson Fury did not go through with his obligation to rematch Wladimir Kiltschko! (And as a champion he has not made his intentions clear to his fans, or the boxing world!)…....when you become the heavyweight champion of the world! You take extra responsibilities that normal mortals don’t experience in life! And I just feel that this constant discrediting of Wladimir Kiltschko, is over looking the fact that he has been the last world wide recognized Heavyweight Champion...(Because he took on those responsibilities and lived up to the pugilistic virtues, that all the great champions from the past have set in stone! He defended his belt against all comers with dignity and honor! Tyson Fury has not achieved any of this! So let’s not give him credit for virtues he has not displayed inside of the ring…..

                  And lets hope if Tyson Fury ever decides to come back? that he can display those pugilistic virtues! because he is great personality....
                  Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 02-20-2017, 11:49 PM.

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                    #10
                    Well I hope not, since I'd like to see Wlad beat his azz.

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