A Physical Dialogue: Ward vs Kovalev

[escudo]

Here it is guys, my take on this modern classic.Enjoy.

[billeau2]

Here it is guys, my take on this modern classic.Enjoy.

Excellent commentary in the timing. You also get it about the body punching.

[The Old LefHook]

Escuedo, I appreciate the fact that you are even doing work. Your stuff is readable and accurate in its own way.

However, it is time for a trip to the woodshed for your continued hyperboles. A writer who goes over the top with gushing adjectives sounds amateurish.

A Gloriously timed right? Get rid of it. That's embarrassing, to be frank. The same with all of Ward's Brilliant trap setting. A writer has to sound objective, and too much hyperbole destroys that trust and sounds like a fan fair instead of a professional article. The rest of us are just writing posts, you are writing articles you want folks to subscribe to or something.

Here's another thing that bugged me. Who says Robinson lost killer instinct after he killed Doyle? Him? Sure, he made a few remarks. That is called manners, humanizing yourself for the press and the public after you just killed a man. If the guy pounding on Turpin in the tenth round in New York had lost any killer instinct, I'll eat my underwear. I do not see Ray turn to the referee once to imply Turpin has had enough, he just keeps pounding with a fury, landing his hardest shots against a helpless man until the referee finally wises up.

You took some half apocryphal myth here and planted it like a well known truth. Personally, I do not believe it is a truth about Robinson, because I do not see any evidence for it in his fights.

As usual, your fight analysis itself was pretty good. However, one more thing. Since when has Ward been hell bent on proving anything? We see how hell bent he is for a rematch with Kovalev. As I have already said, this man is hell bent on delay and ducking Kovalev, and he is proving me correct every day.

[The Old LefHook]

One more bit of technical advice. I would not offer any advice to a writer I felt did not have good potential. Please remember that.

To demonstrate how flaccid and weak hyperbolic adjectives are, I want to compare your description of Kovalev's right into Ward's kisser to the right Norman Mailer saw Ali land on Bonavena. Mailer could have said Ali landed a gloriously timed right. Instead, he said it came in like a wrecking ball from outer space.

When images like that come out of a man's head and onto the page, it gets excitng. Mailer is maxing out the hyperbole himself, but he has contained it in an active image instead of a dead adjective.

[ShoulderRoll]

Good analysis as always.

[billeau2]

One more bit of technical advice. I would not offer any advice to a writer I felt did not have good potential. Please remember that.

To demonstrate how flaccid and weak hyperbolic adjectives are, I want to compare your description of Kovalev's right into Ward's kisser to the right Norman Mailer saw Ali land on Bonavena. Mailer could have said Ali landed a gloriously timed right. Instead, he said it came in like a wrecking ball from outer space.

When images like that come out of a man's head and onto the page, it gets excitng. Mailer is maxing out the hyperbole himself, but he has contained it in an active image instead of a dead adjective.

You brought up Mailer! What a writer!!! Loved mailer. He wrote an interview with George Foreman for Playboy and wow!!! If you have not read that find it Lefty.

You actually made some terrific feedback in this post Lefty. I hope the Op takes it right, he is terrific at what he does and when it comes to writing we can all improve when we take GOOD feedback. I would love to hear what you say about some of my pieces... The more brutal the feedback the better. I used to write quite a bit, including a cover story for the most widely circulated martial arts mag in the world, but now I just pen an article now and then. We can't mention other sited here can we? can you go to *********? it had a lot of my stuff under dsimon. I would love to hear what you think if its still up.

Excellent feedback! Update: I put a few articles in threads here.

[billeau2]

One more bit of technical advice. I would not offer any advice to a writer I felt did not have good potential. Please remember that.

To demonstrate how flaccid and weak hyperbolic adjectives are, I want to compare your description of Kovalev's right into Ward's kisser to the right Norman Mailer saw Ali land on Bonavena. Mailer could have said Ali landed a gloriously timed right. Instead, he said it came in like a wrecking ball from outer space.

When images like that come out of a man's head and onto the page, it gets excitng. Mailer is maxing out the hyperbole himself, but he has contained it in an active image instead of a dead adjective.

Lefty
will put some pieces here in the forum. Please let me know what you think. You and anyone else of course!

[escudo]

Thanks,

It's always great to hear serious feedback rather then the ego stroking nonsense (No offense shoulderroll) I usually get. I analyze fights and I tend to write the way that I speak. Well, I try to use much less profanity then I normally do (I use the F word the way most people say umm). It's good to have critics and good to be told that I can do better. I'm the type of guy who really needs to be told I can't do something for me to really get after it. I threw up mid-training session the other day and the coach told me to sit out a minute and recover, I told him I was OK and got back in as soon as the next round started. Hubris? Maybe. But it's who I am.

I want this. If there is anyway I can make a living doing this then I'm going to do it. My writing style was largely influenced by Hunter S. Thompson and other "New journalism" type of figures. The format of the articles with the integrated gifs make me try to shorten up my style a bit. If I was writing a pure newspaper type of article I would come across very differently then I do in my pieces. The format calls for that.

It was never really my intention to become a "journalist" nor to really be a professional anything when I first started writing. I was just sick of getting called crazy or a violence junkie by people who saw boxing as a mindless sport, and I set out to show them just how wrong they were. Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe the time has come to really commit to this.

[escudo]

As far as Robinson losing the killer instinct

I'll admit I'm only 27 and haven't watched a ton of Sugar Ray, but from what I have seen, he was brilliant and a savage.He seemed to do exactly what he had to. Nothing more and nothing less.

As for Ward, He took the fight when he already had plenty of money and could have retired and been set for life already. He took the fight against a scary undefeated KO artist who was and still is a top 5 lb for lb fighter in the sport (depending on who's list you're using). He dared to be great. In an era where so many of the top guys are content to duck each other, Ward took the fight. As far as a rematch goes, time is going to have to tell. He's still set for life. If he takes the rematch (and I believe he will) all this talk of him ducking this guy or that guy has to stop.

He took the toughest fight out there and edged a decision if he does it again, what more is there to say?

[BattlingNelson]

If this thread brings in more love, hate, fanboyism for still active fighters, I'm gonna close it.

Escudo. I like your style. You are not Norman Mailer. Nobody is. You are on your way of finding whats you which is the way you should go. Best of luck.