Who could beat 86-89 Tyson?

[DMD3]

Again, that's Tony Tucker and he was unable to win in fact Tyson was still full of stamina outboxing him and winning the rounds in the championship rounds. It's clear you haven't even watched that fight. Secondly, Holyfield and Douglass did not use the same approach, they used their reach especially the left jab at mid range and then smothered Tyson as he came in.

Lastly, your prophet was a lying, pedophilic warlord scumbag. Have fun worshipping that.

Tyson also went 10 rounds with a guy named Mitch Green in 1986 and still had energy to spare. He said he intentionally went the distance instead of knocking him out in order to punish him more.

[rightsideup]

Tyson also went 10 rounds with a guy named Mitch Green in 1986 and still had energy to spare. He said he intentionally went the distance instead of knocking him out in order to punish him more.

he chose to end it quicker in the street-fight they had later really did a number on mitches eye

[ShoulderRoll]

Let me phrase it like this. If Muhammad Ali had dumped Dundee, or if Joe Louis fired Jack Blackburn, would they have showed as severe of a decline in their skills? Personally, I doubt it.

If Tyson was that dependent on his cornermen, then that diminishes his greatness, imo.

It would depend at what stage in their careers they left Dundee and Blackburn. I would for sure expect a decline in what they were taught, though.

No fighter can train himself.

[rightsideup]

tyson was trained by bobby steward, teddy atlas and kevin rooney under cus,s supervision then after jim jacobs death and the firing of bill cayton he fell under a mixed bag of don king trainers

Ali had some solid role models as a amateur and was trained early on by archie moore than spent most of his career with various fellows with angelo dundee as the chief second


louis was not as a acomplished amateur as clay or tyson and had jack blackburn and mannie seaman as his trainer after jack passed away

who was the most important influence to each fighter

[DinoCop]

muhhamad ali,george foreman,joe frazier.earnie shavers

Muhammad lost to Frazier who has a similar style of Tyson, and the third one was almost or a draw. Frazier couldn't slip jabs good as Mike could.
George Foreman had strenght and height but Tyson fought many guys like that.
Earnie Shavers seemed like a bum to me
But Frazier vs Tyson... It would smoke! Frazier doesn't give up. That two guys would hurt each other both mentally and phyically.

[NChristo]

Muhammad lost to Frazier who has a similar style of Tyson, and the third one was almost or a draw. Frazier couldn't slip jabs good as Mike could.
George Foreman had strenght and height but Tyson fought many guys like that.
Earnie Shavers seemed like a bum to me
But Frazier vs Tyson... It would smoke! Frazier doesn't give up. That two guys would hurt each other both mentally and phyically.

Frazier and Tyson aren't as similar as most try too make out, in fact they are the complete opposites in terms of pacing, similar in terms of both are always coming forward and bob and weave a lot but that's about where it ends, Frazier was great at slipping as well and his defense was just as good going into the late rounds

[BennyST]

What's wrong with Buster Douglas? He KHTFO during this period, give or take a few months, so we've already got an answer based on fact. Buster Douglas already beat him.

[BennyST]

Frazier and Tyson aren't as similar as most try too make out, in fact they are the complete opposites in terms of pacing, similar in terms of both are always coming forward and bob and weave a lot but that's about where it ends, Frazier was great at slipping as well and his defense was just as good going into the late rounds

Yep, never really quite got the comparisons. They're very different fighters in most ways. A fight with Frazier means next to nothing when comparing how a fight might play out against Tyson.

Maybe it's simply that both are shorter guys who attack, thus exactly the same.

[BennyST]

Let me phrase it like this. If Muhammad Ali had dumped Dundee, or if Joe Louis fired Jack Blackburn, would they have showed as severe of a decline in their skills? Personally, I doubt it.

If Tyson was that dependent on his cornermen, then that diminishes his greatness, imo.

Mental disposition is a huge reason for greatness, or lack thereof. If you fire trainers because you don't like being told what to do and would rather be lazy in your training habits, that doesn't mean nobody could have beaten you during that small time period when you stayed unbeaten. It just means you didn't have the will and discipline to train hard and didn't like trainers who tried to make you do it.

That is as much a part of your skills as a jab or left hook is and is probably an even greater part of what made brilliant fighters. If Tyson fell off with training and fired the guys who were severe with him and didn't like him slacking off, that's because he didn't have the mental makeup to stay a strong champion and get even better, which is what you need to do when consistently faced with top opposition as a champion.

Anyway, it's not as if he stayed champion for a decade then when he got lazy started losing. He was as prime as prime gets and got KTFO. He was only 22, had only been champion for a few short years and hadn't been with his main mentor since basically the start of his pro career anyway.

Douglas would likely have beaten him just the same in '89. A few months in the pinnacle of your prime is hardly going to make or break you.

[Earl-Hickey]

Foreman would be any version of tysons worst nightmare