Frazier beats everybody Marciano beat ...

[Daddy T]

Even though Frazier has the best win of the two, Marciano beat everyone in front of him and always found a way to win. The second Walcott fight is one of my favorite fights of all times.

Main difference between these two guys is that they peaked at different times in their careers. Frazier rose quickly, Marciano late. At the same time Marciano overcame all obstacles whereas Frazier just came up short on a couple of occasions. Therefore Marciano edges it just for me. Both just outside of the top 10.

yeah he came up short a few times but I don't think Rocky would have done any better against foreman or ali indeed I don't think he'd have beaten the ali from fight of the century

[LacedUp]

yeah he came up short a few times but I don't think Rocky would have done any better against foreman or ali indeed I don't think he'd have beaten the ali from fight of the century

I think a lot of people are underestimating Rocky because he fought in an era that wasn't the greatest. I'm not saying he would necessarily beat Ali or Foreman, but it doesn't matter because they weren't around in his era.

It's also a very tight call for me who ranks highest, but amply because Marciano's reign lasted longer and the fact that he has more good names on his résumé than Frazier, I would probably rank him one or two spots above. But it's very tight.

[Ray Corso]

Whats the point of the threads question? Sound like apple & oranges!!!
Ezzard Charles gives anyone problems and he was capable of efeating Joe!
Joe Walcott like wise with Charles and he als was capable!!
Both of these men had tons of experience against top quality contenders and both could box and punch! Joes style might be a negative against these types of fighters but I won't say he couldn't come out on top!
All three were terrific competitors and I remember Oscar Bonivena give Joe a great fight in their first bout! Jow winning a split in New York was big back then!
Joe certainly fought the better contenders than Rocky did and I didn't mention Louis because its unfair to. Louis beats all of them when you consider him at his best!
I do pick Rocky over Joe straight up, I think his power comes through just a Big Georges did! It would be one hell of a card with that as a leadliner for sure!!! I'd take Rocky early or by late tko maybe 12 to 14!!! Great fight! Ray

[rightsideup]

Joe generally moved in one direction so it is conceivable that ezzard could give him troubles as he did rocky.

[StarshipTrooper]

The second Walcott fight is one of my favorite fights of all times.

Second Walcott fight or the second Charles fight? Walcott II was a one round wipe-out.

Poet

[Scott9945]

Second Walcott fight or the second Charles fight? Walcott II was a one round wipe-out.

Poet

If he wasn't so old and tired I might suspect that JJW took a dive in their rematch.

[LacedUp]

Second Walcott fight or the second Charles fight? Walcott II was a one round wipe-out.

Poet

No not the second fight, the first Walcott fight sorry.

THAT punch.

The second fight vs Charles was brutal. god damn. Good fight.

[kiDynamite92]

frazier beats marciano. rock is crazy tough but he'd win fights by wearin cats out. smoke only got stronger as the fight went on. i'm thinkin at his peak smoke was like 190 n rock was 183 so neither at their peak was even near the current cruiser limit of 200. its only right to take these things into consideration when rating fighters of different eras

Smoke was a fully fledged HW. He won gold at the olympics at Super Heavy, a lot of the boxers came through fought in Heavyweight which is a 205lbs limit at amatuers, including Tyson and Ali but Joe was a Super heavy throughout.

[Anthony342]

If he wasn't so old and tired I might suspect that JJW took a dive in their rematch.

I always though Walcott just gave up once he was knocked down and knew he couldn't win, much like the rematch Arguello had with Pryor, where the effort seemed to be there, but once they were knocked down, they seemed to pick up the count but just stay down for it. On Boxing's Best, Walcott was quoted as saying he lost track of the count from 6-10.

[Ray Corso]

Some here really need to get off the "size & weight" thing! It just gets ridiculous every other day here! This is another misconception from the Klitz Bros era that size is the first determining issue for a heavyweight!
There is NO weight class for a professional Heavyweight!!! A heavyweight could weigh 171lbs, get over the "big is better" BS!!!

Some of the greatest Heavyweight Fighters and Champions were under 205lbs!

The bigger guys like Ali down to Tyson were actually at their best at lighter weights!! Ali weighed 225 to 230 but his best was at 210-215, Tyson at 225 was nothing like Tyson at 210 to 215, Prime usually is consistant with age and weight and all the great fighters other than Big George were better lighter!

Anyone can fight at heavyweight weighing whatever they want to!!!! Ray.