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    Are southpaws fundamentally ''different'' fighters ?

    Aside from the obvious advantage of offering to right handers a style to which they're not nearly as used to as southpaws are used to handling right handers (because of the fact that there are less soutpaws of course), are southpaws fundamentally ''different'' fighters ?

    Objectively speaking (before taking into consideration scientific studies about left and right handed people), a southpaw should not naturally have an advantage over an orthodox fighter (if you leave the experience factor aside also) as they're the mirror image of one another. We always hear that a jab is nullified by a southpaw, but what about the southpaw's jab being nullified by his right handed opponent (mirror image) ?

    Both fighters battle to establish their front foot outside of the front foot of the opponent just as they battle to establish their jab over the mirror's jab. Again, nothing there to create a natural advantage, just a tricky situation for both the lefty and the righty.



    (Sorry for the lame picture, I wanted a real mirror image for this one.)


    So how can we make a case that southpaws are fundamentally different, let alone superior fighters ? And what about fighters who purposely adopt a southpaw style when they're naturally right handed ? These guys are obviously looking for advantages, for that complicating mirror image, for that distance.

    We hear a lot of stuff about southpaws. Stuff that tends to distinguish them. Some say they like to get off first, that they're slicker, they use more angles, etc.When I watch matches involving a southpaw and a right hander, I do notice some patterns though. A lot of southpaws like to let their opponent commit himself, come inside, and make them pay for cutting the natural distance (mirror image), they just slip and dodge on their left side so that they can fire a left uppercutt to the liver or rib section. Maybe it is safe to say that a southpaw is a distance and space wizard.

    If southpaws are indeed different fighters, could it have something to do with the fact that they naturally rely more on the right side of their brain ?




    "We'll keep this light and uncomplicated. Our brain, like the rest of our anatomy, is made up of two halves, a left brain a right brain. There's a big fold that goes from front to back in our brain, essentially dividing it into two distinct and separate parts. Well, almost separate. They are connected to each other by a thick cable of nerves at the base of each brain. This sole link between the two giant processors is called the corpus collosum. Think of it as an Ethernet cable or network connection between two incredibly fast and immensely powerful computer processors, each running different programs from the same input.

    The left side of our body is "wired" to the right side of our brain, and vice versa. For whatever reason nature did this cross-over, it applies even to our eyes, which process a majority of their sensory data on opposite sides of the brain."





    "In his book Right-Hand, Left-Hand, Chris McManus of University College London argues that the proportion of left-handers is increasing and left-handed people as a group have historically produced an above-average quota of high achievers. He says that left-handers' brains are structured differently in a way that increases their range of abilities, and the genes that determine left-handedness also govern development of the language centres of the brain."


    However, the almost unanimously greatest fighter per weight class are almost all orthodox fighters. Of course we have to take into consideration that southpaws have been repressed in the history of the sport, but the stats are there nevertheless : southpaws rarely crack that no. 1 spot. Here, Boxingscene no. 1 fighters from featherweight to heavyweight.

    Pep (fw), Arguello (jlw), Duran (lw), Cervantes (jww), Robinson (ww), Norris (jmw), Greb (mw), Calzaghe (smw), Charles (lhw), Holyfield (cw), Ali (hw).

    As you can see, there is only one southpaw (and he isn't that great either). We have to go down the lists to find high rated southpaws most of the time.
    If we take a look at the greatest soutpaws ever to try to note constant qualities, maybe we could dig something up that puts them in a class apart.





    LEFT BRAIN FUNCTIONS (orthodox fighters)

    uses logic
    detail oriented
    facts rule
    words and language

    present and past
    math and science
    can comprehend
    knowing
    acknowledges
    order/pattern perception
    knows object name
    reality based
    forms strategies
    practical
    safe


    RIGHT BRAIN FUNCTIONS (southpaws)

    uses feeling
    "big picture" oriented
    imagination rules
    symbols and images



    Being more creative, does it mean that the southpaw will be more inclined to experiment unorthodox moves/tactics, and implement those in his style ?

    Discuss. I'll be glad to hear any bit of knowledge you may have about southpaws.



    Side note : I thought it was more relevant to post this in the history section than in NSB with all those Pacquiao-Mayweather freaks.

    #2
    It All depends on the person I believe. One thing is true though, if you learn how to use your least dominant hand more often there are studies that show it increase brain capacity. I don't feel like going in depth about it but you can definitely find those studies online. Being left handed myself I can usually find myself dealing with things a lot better than right handers simply because this is a right handed world so left handers are somewhat of naturally ambidexterous due to the fact regardless of being left handed we increase brain capacity due to the fact we are forced from young to learn how to use ur right hand more often. I mean geez, take sissors for example, I'm forced to use my right Hand because they feel awkward with my left. Sure we're wired differently but we're forced to use both halves of our brain where as right handers use predominantly their left only.
    Last edited by {Pito}; 11-09-2010, 11:00 AM.

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      #3
      Originally posted by -J- View Post
      It All depends on the person I believe. One thing is true though, if you learn how to use your least dominant hand more often there are studies that show it increase brain capacity. I don't feel like going in depth about it but you can definitely find those studies online. Being left handed myself I can usually find myself dealing with things a lot better than right handers simply because this is a right handed world so left handers are somewhat of naturally ambidexterous due to the fact regardless of being left handed we increase brain capacity due to the fact we are forced from young to learn how to use ur right hand more often. I mean geez, take sissors for example, I'm forced to use my right Hand because they feel awkward with my left. Sure we're wired differently but we're forced to use both halves of our brain where as right handers use predominantly their left only.
      thanks, good comment and an intesresting one

      the ambidexterous part makes me think about the fighters who switch stances SUCCESSFULLY and constantly (not those who switch and end up in worse trouble than they were before switching during the course of a fight )

      these guys like Andre Ward and others switch so naturally and they fight so well out of both stances, it definitely creates a great edge to be able to do that, puzzling the opponent while adapting, no matter what your original stance might be

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        #4
        Yeah, I believe southpaws are naturally better switch hitters than right handers due to the nature of our upbringing. (having to learn our right because we have to not because we want to) On the other hand right handers who switch usually have a very weak left hand as opposed to the southpaw's right. Again, this has to do with us lefties forced to learn how to use our right from youth rather than righties who've never really used their left in a dominant fashion.

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          #5
          What J mentioned is very true. Lefties, although happening less now, are usually taught the 'right' way to do things, no pun intended. Often this will give them a slightly more ambidextrous quality and coordination.

          In boxing though, it really comes down to one very simple thing and it really is this simple. Lefties spend their career fighting 99% orthodox fighters and righties spend 95% fighting righties. There are more lefties than ever now, but it's still rare to fight many.

          Obviously, it benefits them greatly. They know their opponents stance back to front and don't have to change anything whereas an orthodox fighter has to completely change his whole camp from sparring partners, combinations, footwork to things like leading more, waiting less, lead right, left hook, watch the jab etc etc.

          It's an entirely different perspective and some do brilliantly at it and really excel at fighting lefties; see Kostya Tszyu for the perfect fighter against lefties. From memory he fought about 1/3 of his fights against lefties and beat them all by KO. I remember Jake Rodriguez (champ), Zab Judah (champ), Pedro Sanchez 26-1 (top ranked contender. Only loss a disputed SD to undefeated 147 champ Oba Carr), Nedrick Simmons (early cannon fodder, was the only fighter on Tszyu's resume with a losing record: had about forty fights in 2nd pro fight), Sharmba mitchell x 2, (champ), Ismael Chavez (45-5 number one rated contender), Corey Johnson 20-1 (former champ from memory and long time top contender), Hugo Pineda (the 6'1" number one contender and title challenger at JWW, WW, MW, LHW and CW, against Felix trinidad and Glen Johnson to name two). Pretty amazing record against lefties. I can't think of anyone better at beating them.

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            #6
            Originally posted by BennyST View Post
            What J mentioned is very true. Lefties, although happening less now, are usually taught the 'right' way to do things, no pun intended. Often this will give them a slightly more ambidextrous quality and coordination.

            In boxing though, it really comes down to one very simple thing and it really is this simple. Lefties spend their career fighting 99% orthodox fighters and righties spend 95% fighting righties. There are more lefties than ever now, but it's still rare to fight many.

            Obviously, it benefits them greatly. They know their opponents stance back to front and don't have to change anything whereas an orthodox fighter has to completely change his whole camp from sparring partners, combinations, footwork to things like leading more, waiting less, lead right, left hook, watch the jab etc etc.

            It's an entirely different perspective and some do brilliantly at it and really excel at fighting lefties; see Kostya Tszyu for the perfect fighter against lefties. From memory he fought about 1/3 of his fights against lefties and beat them all by KO. I remember Jake Rodriguez (champ), Zab Judah (champ), Pedro Sanchez 26-1 (top ranked contender. Only loss a disputed SD to undefeated 147 champ Oba Carr), Nedrick Simmons (early cannon fodder, was the only fighter on Tszyu's resume with a losing record: had about forty fights in 2nd pro fight), Sharmba mitchell x 2, (champ), Ismael Chavez (45-5 number one rated contender), Corey Johnson 20-1 (former champ from memory and long time top contender), Hugo Pineda (the 6'1" number one contender and title challenger at JWW, WW, MW, LHW and CW, against Felix trinidad and Glen Johnson to name two). Pretty amazing record against lefties. I can't think of anyone better at beating them.
            it almost looks like Tszyu was going after lefties whereas orthodox fighters usually avoid them, that's interesting to say the least

            someone created a thread recently (maybe in NSB) about the best fighters who could handle southpaws, and nobody named Tszyu (in fact, I think only Hopkins name surfaced)


            so you both think that it is only because of experience if southpaws have that edge, that they're considered to be ''different'' fighters beyond the fact of their relative rarity ? what about the more biological aspect of it (left and right sides of the brain, studies on lefties and righties as groups which have demonstrated they reason in different ways) and the ideas/observations that are vehiculated about southpaws in the boxing world ? couldn't southpaws be fundamentally different because of those biological factors, is it something you might have noticed in the way they actually fight ?

            one thing I have forgotten to add is that when 2 southpaws meet in the ring, you usually get a somewhat dull fight in which both guys are very tentative, whereas a southpaw is usually more aggressive against an orthodox fighter. Maybe it can be explained by the fact that they're used to not having a hand (potentially a jab, right hook or uppercutt) so close to them (something a righty is used to a whole lot more), and it ****s up both their level of comfort, making them tentative because they don't have that space, that distance that comes from what I call the mirror image

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              #7
              That's what it is, when I spar lefties it is not so much a weird thing but I am now aware of all the new openings and know he sees them too so we're now kept in check so to speak.
              Last edited by {Pito}; 11-10-2010, 09:14 PM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by BatteredKessler View Post
                Maybe it is safe to say that a southpaw is a distance and space wizard.
                Yes, they usually maintain some range to fully utilize the angle advantages of being a southpaw. Being a southpaw means nothing inside the pocket. You look at guys like manny pacquiao, he's never developed an inside fighting game.

                You watch Zab Judah fight Floyd, Zab had success when there was distance and space between them. The southpaw awkwardness meant nothing once Floyd turned on the pressure.

                Floyd is extremely good at fighting southpaws. He's defeated 6 in his career and fought one in only his 2nd pro fight. He went 40 rounds with them, only one managed to win any rounds, and that was Zab who took the first 2. His perfectly timed right hands are poison to lefties. He also has a very good left hook, what people consider the 2nd best punch against southpaws.

                Anyone know the origin of the term "slick southpaw"? Was Whitaker the one responsible for the stereotype?
                Last edited by GrandpaBernard; 11-12-2010, 10:52 PM.

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                  #9
                  It is also important to remember that many southpaws are naturally orthodox fighters, who choose to fight southpaw or are "switch" fighters who go back and forth from each stance, like a baseball hitter who is a switch hitter.

                  As a result, i won't read that aspect of what side of the brain they use more to those fighters who either choose or are switch fighters.

                  I do think there is also a distinction of "slick southpaw" and conventional southpaws. Whitaker fought very different than lets say someone like Khaosai Galaxy, and both were southpaws. Galaxy was more similar to someone like Monzon who was orthodox. I tend to think fighters adapt their styles more to their preferences and assimilating to their specific opponent.

                  You will get both brawlers, stylists, counter punchers in both stances. We probably hear the word slick southpaw often since they seem to give othodox fighters problems, and there are many more orthodox fighters.

                  Are they more naturally intelligent or superior? Other than Pacquiao and Whitaker there are few southpaws that people would rate among the top 25 P4P list. I don't think either stance has a monopoly on ring smarts.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by HaglerSteelChin View Post
                    It is also important to remember that many southpaws are naturally orthodox fighters, who choose to fight southpaw or are "switch" fighters who go back and forth from each stance, like a baseball hitter who is a switch hitter.
                    Historically, did these righties who went southpaw rely more on the straight left or right hook?

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