New Year's trivia: 5 easy(?) questions for the boxing historian.

[Kiid Dynamite]

No thank you!

I should have gotten the Olympic question too but I tried to answer it without doing any research and that is what I get. PLUS, I have done a lot of research on the Olympic Games on all sports in the past, for the local papers around New Jersey and New York.

I got into it too late to get the one on Walcott. We put up a monument of him in Camden New Jersey a few years ago and I was the guest speaker.



That's me in the middle, along with Pierre Benoist and Pete Nozza.

Thanks again, Henry Hascup

isnt the guy on the left the crook judge for diaz vs malignaggi? lol

[hhascup]

isnt the guy on the left the crook judge for diaz vs malignaggi? lol

No, he Judged the Williams/Martinez bout, BUT I think that is what you meant.

Pierre Benoist, who I knew for 25-30 years, is no crook. He is actually one of the most honest individuals I have ever met. He has been the President of the Lou Costello Club in Paterson, N.J. and the President of the Silver Gloves in New Jersey for years.

If he was on the take, don't you think he would have made his score a lot closer?


That's me in the middle, along with Pierre and Pete Nozza.

By the way, here's the scoring of that bout. Several states, including New Jersey, when Larry Hazzard was the Commissioner, tried scoring the bouts by a majority scoring system. This meant the at the end of each round, they would look at all 3 judges cards, then throw out the odd one. Example, if 2 Judges had boxer "A"winning and the other Judge had boxer "B" winning, they would throw out the one that had boxer "B." If 1 Judge had it for boxer "A", another had it for boxer "B" and the other judge had it even, the round would be scored as an even round.

Rd - Carter - J. Lederman - H. Lederman - Beniost
1. --- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ----------- 9-10 ----- 10-10
2. --- 9-10 ------ 9-10 ----------- 9-10 ------ 9-10
3. --- 9-10 ------ 9-10 ----------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
4. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
5. --– 10-9 ------ 9-10 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
6. --- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ----------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
7. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
8. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
9. –-- 9-10 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
10. --- 9-10 ----- 9-10 ---------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
11. --- 9-10 ----- 9-10 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
12. --- 10-9 ----- 9-10 ------- ---10-9 ------ 10-9

If they scored it by the majority scoring system, here's what the score would have been. I also included Harold in the one on the left, just to see how the scoring would come out.

Scoring w/Harold----Scoring wo/Harold
1. Williams 2-1-1-----Williams 2-0-1
2. Martinez 4-0--------Martinez 3-0
3. Martinez 3-1--------Martinez 2-1
4. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
5. Williams 3-1--------Williams 2-1
6. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
7. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
8. Williams 3-1--------Williams 3-0
9. Williams 3-1--------Williams 2-1
10. Martinez 3-1-------Martinez 2-1
11. Even 2-2------------Martinez 2-1
12. Williams 3-1-------Williams 2-1

117-112 Williams-----116-112 Williams

[Kiid Dynamite]

No, he Judged the Williams/Martinez bout, BUT I think that is what you meant.

Pierre Benoist, who I knew for 25-30 years, is no crook. He is actually one of the most honest individuals I have ever met. He has been the President of the Lou Costello Club in Paterson, N.J. and the President of the Silver Gloves in New Jersey for years.

If he was on the take, don't you think he would have made his score a lot closer?


That's me in the middle, along with Pierre and Pete Nozza.

By the way, here's the scoring of that bout. Several states, including New Jersey, when Larry Hazzard was the Commissioner, tried scoring the bouts by a majority scoring system. This meant the at the end of each round, they would look at all 3 judges cards, then throw out the odd one. Example, if 2 Judges had boxer "A"winning and the other Judge had boxer "B" winning, they would throw out the one that had boxer "B." If 1 Judge had it for boxer "A", another had it for boxer "B" and the other judge had it even, the round would be scored as an even round.

Rd - Carter - J. Lederman - H. Lederman - Beniost
1. --- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ----------- 9-10 ----- 10-10
2. --- 9-10 ------ 9-10 ----------- 9-10 ------ 9-10
3. --- 9-10 ------ 9-10 ----------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
4. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
5. --– 10-9 ------ 9-10 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
6. --- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ----------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
7. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
8. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
9. –-- 9-10 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
10. --- 9-10 ----- 9-10 ---------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
11. --- 9-10 ----- 9-10 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
12. --- 10-9 ----- 9-10 ------- ---10-9 ------ 10-9

If they scored it by the majority scoring system, here's what the score would have been. I also included Harold in the one on the left, just to see how the scoring would come out.

Scoring w/Harold----Scoring wo/Harold
1. Williams 2-1-1-----Williams 2-0-1
2. Martinez 4-0--------Martinez 3-0
3. Martinez 3-1--------Martinez 2-1
4. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
5. Williams 3-1--------Williams 2-1
6. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
7. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
8. Williams 3-1--------Williams 3-0
9. Williams 3-1--------Williams 2-1
10. Martinez 3-1-------Martinez 2-1
11. Even 2-2------------Martinez 2-1
12. Williams 3-1-------Williams 2-1

117-112 Williams-----116-112 Williams

No, I am talking about DIAZ VS Malignaggi, where in the post fight interview Paulie said he got f***** by some boxing judge who he said would try screw him prior to the fight

[Suckmedry]

No, I am talking about DIAZ VS Malignaggi, where in the post fight interview Paulie said he got f***** by some boxing judge who he said would try screw him prior to the fight

that's gale van hoy?? or something like that

[Suckmedry]

No, he Judged the Williams/Martinez bout, BUT I think that is what you meant.

Pierre Benoist, who I knew for 25-30 years, is no crook. He is actually one of the most honest individuals I have ever met. He has been the President of the Lou Costello Club in Paterson, N.J. and the President of the Silver Gloves in New Jersey for years.

If he was on the take, don't you think he would have made his score a lot closer?


That's me in the middle, along with Pierre and Pete Nozza.

By the way, here's the scoring of that bout. Several states, including New Jersey, when Larry Hazzard was the Commissioner, tried scoring the bouts by a majority scoring system. This meant the at the end of each round, they would look at all 3 judges cards, then throw out the odd one. Example, if 2 Judges had boxer "A"winning and the other Judge had boxer "B" winning, they would throw out the one that had boxer "B." If 1 Judge had it for boxer "A", another had it for boxer "B" and the other judge had it even, the round would be scored as an even round.

Rd - Carter - J. Lederman - H. Lederman - Beniost
1. --- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ----------- 9-10 ----- 10-10
2. --- 9-10 ------ 9-10 ----------- 9-10 ------ 9-10
3. --- 9-10 ------ 9-10 ----------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
4. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
5. --– 10-9 ------ 9-10 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
6. --- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ----------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
7. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
8. –-- 10-9 ------ 10-9 ---------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
9. –-- 9-10 ------ 10-9 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
10. --- 9-10 ----- 9-10 ---------- 9-10 ------ 10-9
11. --- 9-10 ----- 9-10 ---------- 10-9 ------ 10-9
12. --- 10-9 ----- 9-10 ------- ---10-9 ------ 10-9

If they scored it by the majority scoring system, here's what the score would have been. I also included Harold in the one on the left, just to see how the scoring would come out.

Scoring w/Harold----Scoring wo/Harold
1. Williams 2-1-1-----Williams 2-0-1
2. Martinez 4-0--------Martinez 3-0
3. Martinez 3-1--------Martinez 2-1
4. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
5. Williams 3-1--------Williams 2-1
6. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
7. Williams 4-0--------Williams 3-0
8. Williams 3-1--------Williams 3-0
9. Williams 3-1--------Williams 2-1
10. Martinez 3-1-------Martinez 2-1
11. Even 2-2------------Martinez 2-1
12. Williams 3-1-------Williams 2-1

117-112 Williams-----116-112 Williams

I respect that you know the man and I am not trying to insult his character, but with all due respect that was a terrible scorecard he gave in for Williams-Martinez.

[hhascup]

that's gale van hoy?? or something like that

His name is Gale E. Van Hoy

[hhascup]

I respect that you know the man and I am not trying to insult his character, but with all due respect that was a terrible scorecard he gave in for Williams-Martinez.

I know what your saying and a score of 119-110 looks pretty bad, BUT if you use the majority scoring system, which I explained, the score comes out to 117-112 with Harold and 116-112 without him.

If you look at the chart I sent, you will see that he disagreed with the other judges, only twice. That was in the 3rd and 10th rounds. Julie Lederman disagreed twice also, the 5th and 12th rounds. Both Harold and Carter disagreed once as well.

You can also have a close bout and score it onesided. If every round is close BUT 1 boxer just edges out the other on all the rounds, this is where you will see a big difference in the scoring in a close bout.

The only rounds that I think were in question were the 3rd and 10th rounds on his score card. All the others, were in line with all the other judges.

Just for the record, I had it 115-113 for Williams BUT I was watching it on TV and also, listening to the commentators, which could have some bearing on my scoring. PLUS, a lot of rounds were very close and could have gone the other way.

[Kiid Dynamite]

I havent seen Williams vs Martinez yet but diaz vs malignaggi was a joke