Where does Crawford Rank Historically as a Welterweight?

[DeeMoney]

Well, if dominance matters in judging fighters, as has been mentioned here, what can we now say about Terence Crawford as an all time welterweight?

I know he is still fighting, but save for Ennis there ain't much to add to his WW resume that is currently out there. And though he has far more fights at LW & JWW, he already has more fights at welter than Duran and more title fights at welter than Hearns; point being there should be enough of a sample size to evaluate.

So, where does he rank in your opinion as an all time welterweight?

[billeau2]

Well, if dominance matters in judging fighters, as has been mentioned here, what can we now say about Terence Crawford as an all time welterweight?

I know he is still fighting, but save for Ennis there ain't much to add to his WW resume that is currently out there. And though he has far more fights at LW & JWW, he already has more fights at welter than Duran and more title fights at welter than Hearns; point being there should be enough of a sample size to evaluate.

So, where does he rank in your opinion as an all time welterweight?

We definitely need some time to pass, that is just how history works... The Moose I see looking at me while leaning on my bumper, recedes a great deal as I drive away... I believe it is a dialectic that has to process for a valid historical relationship to become established in the first place. For example, people are already comparing Bud to Floyd. Prior to this fight there were a lot of questions about how truly dominant a presence Crawford had established, but Mayweather's name was not generally mentioned. Not saying it is good, or bad, BTW... But this fight elevated Crawford.

I will say about Bud what I said about Ward... Ward's status to a degree hedged on what happened with Kovalev. My question is, what will happen with Spence? Both Bud and Ward beat some great fighters, but that battle between two ATG fighters, so lacking today, looms large. I believe it hurt Floyd as well, in a more nuanced way: He fought Pac they were older, the fight was non commital, Floyd won, but it was not a victory that showed mastery over an aged Pacman, if he even won that fight. I mean one could argue the fight was hardly definitive... If the judges had given it to Pac it would not be considered a robbery.

If Crawford wants legacy he should take a page from Lewis, who always fought the young lions. He should fight Ennis, and if he does so, and maybe a few more potentially great opponents, he could achieve ATG the way JOnes did: Early on catching Hopkins, and the great outing against Toney. This meant that JOnes beat at least one potential ATG fighter in their prime years. To me this is an important milestone.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Over time the lists of greats becomes crowded.

Craw KOed an off balanced fighter who looked shabby and off balance after his post near death car crash in his single fight over a 3 yr period before the Craw fight.

Nice scalp, but @age 35 might consider a mop up Ennis fight and retirement. Same deal with Spence.

[GhostofDempsey]

Eight fights as a welter, all of them KO wins. Spence and Porter are his best wins at 147. Duran moved up to Welter nearly 70 fights into his career. His best wins were Palomino and Leonard. Hearns didn’t have any great wins at welter.

I would compare Bud favorably with the welterweight greats of the 1960s such as Griffith, Rodriguez, Cokes and Napoles, most of whom fought one another at their best.

[Slugfester]

I lost interest in them a long time ago. They still took 5 or 6 years to fight. They were not in their primes. Where does a guy rank historically who had his first real fight at 35? Rank how, for what? Achievements? Who beats who? There are a lot of ways to rank fighters historicakkiy.

[kara]

Im shocked at how good he is at 147 given that he wasn't overly impressive at 135

[Anthony342]

We definitely need some time to pass, that is just how history works... The Moose I see looking at me while leaning on my bumper, recedes a great deal as I drive away... I believe it is a dialectic that has to process for a valid historical relationship to become established in the first place. For example, people are already comparing Bud to Floyd. Prior to this fight there were a lot of questions about how truly dominant a presence Crawford had established, but Mayweather's name was not generally mentioned. Not saying it is good, or bad, BTW... But this fight elevated Crawford.

I will say about Bud what I said about Ward... Ward's status to a degree hedged on what happened with Kovalev. My question is, what will happen with Spence? Both Bud and Ward beat some great fighters, but that battle between two ATG fighters, so lacking today, looms large. I believe it hurt Floyd as well, in a more nuanced way: He fought Pac they were older, the fight was non commital, Floyd won, but it was not a victory that showed mastery over an aged Pacman, if he even won that fight. I mean one could argue the fight was hardly definitive... If the judges had given it to Pac it would not be considered a robbery.

If Crawford wants legacy he should take a page from Lewis, who always fought the young lions. He should fight Ennis, and if he does so, and maybe a few more potentially great opponents, he could achieve ATG the way JOnes did: Early on catching Hopkins, and the great outing against Toney. This meant that JOnes beat at least one potential ATG fighter in their prime years. To me this is an important milestone.

Yeah but after Toney, Jones didn't fight any top opponents, even avoiding the Darius fight.

[them_apples]

Well, if dominance matters in judging fighters, as has been mentioned here, what can we now say about Terence Crawford as an all time welterweight?

I know he is still fighting, but save for Ennis there ain't much to add to his WW resume that is currently out there. And though he has far more fights at LW & JWW, he already has more fights at welter than Duran and more title fights at welter than Hearns; point being there should be enough of a sample size to evaluate.

So, where does he rank in your opinion as an all time welterweight?

Boots won’t do anything lol. The amount of glorified amatuers in boxing today, it was only a matter of time before someone like crawford came along.

[QueensburyRules]

We definitely need some time to pass, that is just how history works... The Moose I see looking at me while leaning on my bumper, recedes a great deal as I drive away... I believe it is a dialectic that has to process for a valid historical relationship to become established in the first place. For example, people are already comparing Bud to Floyd. Prior to this fight there were a lot of questions about how truly dominant a presence Crawford had established, but Mayweather's name was not generally mentioned. Not saying it is good, or bad, BTW... But this fight elevated Crawford.

I will say about Bud what I said about Ward... Ward's status to a degree hedged on what happened with Kovalev. My question is, what will happen with Spence? Both Bud and Ward beat some great fighters, but that battle between two ATG fighters, so lacking today, looms large. I believe it hurt Floyd as well, in a more nuanced way: He fought Pac they were older, the fight was non commital, Floyd won, but it was not a victory that showed mastery over an aged Pacman, if he even wonht. that fig I mean one could argue the fight was hardly definitive... If the judges had given it to Pac it would not be considered a robbery.

If Crawford wants legacy he should take a page from Lewis, who always fought the young lions. He should fight Ennis, and if he does so, and maybe a few more potentially great opponents, he could achieve ATG the way JOnes did: Early on catching Hopkins, and the great outing against Toney. This meant that JOnes beat at least one potential ATG fighter in their prime years. To me this is an important milestone.

- - Well the judges did give it to Manny before the Vegas commish doctored the decision. That's all you need to know about modern boxing.

[billeau2]

Yeah but after Toney, Jones didn't fight any top opponents, even avoiding the Darius fight.

Thats the point Anthony! He got to Hopkins early...Then that victory gave him capital! Kept a lot of naysayers back... Then the epic Toney fight... walla!