Did Jack Johnson participate in fixed fights?

[Bundana]

Young Strbling who ironically did young was a light heavyweight. He was also a middle weight, a welter weight , a light weight and a feather weight. How many of these DQ's came in the divison I mentioned? A few of them, and I have his dq total at six.




Yes I may write a book one day. One chapter will be on over rated fighters, their DQ's and questionable decisions. It will be rather juicy and uncovered ground. Another's chapter will be on the evaluation of heavy weight boxing , ( did you see my top 15 era ratings? ) and another chapter will be on punch stats and are they relevant. Another chapter will be on total ring magazine contenders fought and avoided contenders. I got a lot to talk about. Anyway send me what you have on DQ's.

Yes, Stribling fought through a lot of divisions but ended up at heavyweight, and is listed as such by BoxRec.

As I already said, he had 7 fights that resulted in a DQ:
Pierre Charles
Joe Doctor
Primo Carnera x 2
Babe Hunt
Chuck Wiggins
Norman Genet

Why are these numbers so important to you? Does it really matter if Stribling had 6 or 7 DQ... or whether Johnson was 2nd or 3rd on some strange list?

And what DQ information is it, you want me to send you? I have no secret lists or special information - nothing more than you can find yourself, if you did a little researsch on the subject.

[Ivich]

Ah, so now you're switching to Pollack's books, I guess Moyle no longer serves a purpose to your agenda. Gotcha!

Moyle's book simply states what I am posting on this forum...Jack Johnson himself claimed on at least two occasions he hit the canvas in that fight. In one account he says it was a slip after a glancing punch from Langford. You're a stubborn old goat who can't and won't admit that you're arguing with yourself. I'm not the one claiming Johnson went down...Johnson himself did! Idiot.

Nope Johnson took the trouble to write an open letter to The Ring disclaiming that he suffered a knockdown in the Langford fight and citing ringsider boxing writer Tad Dorgan as a witness! What is stubborn is you persisting on using a discredited comic like Mes Combats as a source!
I will quote any primary ,verified, researched. named, and dated source!
I know what Moyle's book say I have it! I also know what it DOESN'T SAY.

That Langford knocked Johnson down!
I am arguing with a Johnson hater ,and there are three of them on this forum.

[Ivich]

Ah, so now you're switching to Pollack's books, I guess Moyle no longer serves a purpose to your agenda. Gotcha!

Moyle's book simply states what I am posting on this forum...Jack Johnson himself claimed on at least two occasions he hit the canvas in that fight. In one account he says it was a slip after a glancing punch from Langford. You're a stubborn old goat who can't and won't admit that you're arguing with yourself. I'm not the one claiming Johnson went down...Johnson himself did! Idiot.

Nope Johnson took the trouble to write an open letter to The Ring disclaiming that he suffered a knockdown in the Langford fight and citing ringsider boxing writer Tad Dorgan as a witness! What is stubborn is you persisting on using a discredited comic like Mes Combats as a source!
I will quote any primary ,verified, researched. named, and dated source!
I know what Moyle's book say I have it! I also know what it DOESN'T SAY.

That Langford knocked Johnson down! I know you won't accept the below information.

It doesn't matter,its enough that the rest of the forum can see it and make up their own minds as to their veracity.
It's enough that they can see your wilful refusal to accept verified facts like even Langford's manager admitted he planted the story about Sam knocking Jack down,admitted that he lied.


"Two and a half years before the start of Johnson's legendary reign as World Heavyweight Champion, he met Sam Langford at the Lincoln Athletic Club in Chelsea, Massachusetts in defense of his "colored" portion of the heavyweight crown. Johnson, who had met the best heavyweight contenders (compared to the 156 lbs Langford, who had just recently started fighting heavyweights), dominated the bout and won by a lopsided fifteen-round decision. However, Langford's manager, , told everyone who would listen that Langford floored the "Galveston Giant" with a right uppercut and gave him a tremendous battle. Woodman's account persisted for years, which offended Johnson greatly and prompted him to issue a series of vehement denials.

In an open letter to The Ring in 1934, Johnson wrote: “I have accounts of the fight from my dear old friend, Tad (legendary sports writer and cartoonist Tad Dorgan), which show how badly Sam Langford was whipped. Please note the account of our fifteen-round fight at Chelsea, Mass., which I am enclosing. The report shows that I gave poor Sam such a severe trimming that he had to find his way into a hospital to recuperate. The records of that fight prove that statement to be correct."

In 1945, , who believed Johnson was the greatest of all the heavyweight champions, backed up Johnson's account. Waterman stated that he was at the fight and witnessed Johnson dish out a "terrible beating" to the smaller Langford.

In his 1958 book, 50 Years at Ringside, , founder of , produced the testimony of his father-in-law, Dad Phillips, who allegedly saw the fight.

Said Phillips: “Jack Johnson decisively defeated Sam Langford. He was complete master of the situation. Jack so far outclassed Langford that for a time, until he purposely eased up on his onslaughts, the fight was one-sided."

Fleischer once cornered Woodman and good-naturedly demanded the true version of events. According to Fleischer, this was Woodman’s response: “You’ve got me, Nat. Langford never dropped Johnson. But I was anxious to fix up another fight between the two and, knowing Jack’s pride, I invented the story of that knockdown to goad him into the ring against Sam again. Although it never happened, all the newspapermen believed it. They just never took the trouble to investigate. That knockdown was just a publicity gimmick.”





Now enough! Enough wilful and barefaced lying from a tag team of phobic hating trolls one of whom is only here because his compulsive lying hating posts got him permanently banned from another Forum.
A poster who,when he saw a hate post about Joe Louis, made by a banned poster, he gladly, and eagerly took up the cudgels to continue the agenda campaign that got him banned from that other forum.a poster who .since he has nowhere else to go, has happily embraced you as a sad soul mate because he is a social pariah elsewhere and has no allies anywhere.

And definitely enough of hate agenda bull ****!

If you had any self respect,any sense of shame,
you would leave this Forum after being exposed as the malicious troll that you are.


BUT THAT AIN'T YOU SUNSHINE IS IT!

[GhostofDempsey]

Nope Johnson took the trouble to write an open letter to The Ring disclaiming that he suffered a knockdown in the Langford fight and citing ringsider boxing writer Tad Dorgan as a witness! What is stubborn is you persisting on using a discredited comic like Mes Combats as a source!
I will quote any primary ,verified, researched. named, and dated source!
I know what Moyle's book say I have it! I also know what it DOESN'T SAY.

That Langford knocked Johnson down! I know you won't accept the below information.

It doesn't matter,its enough that the rest of the forum can see it and make up their own minds as to their veracity.
It's enough that they can see your wilful refusal to accept verified facts like even Langford's manager admitted he planted the story about Sam knocking Jack down,admitted that he lied.


"Two and a half years before the start of Johnson's legendary reign as World Heavyweight Champion, he met Sam Langford at the Lincoln Athletic Club in Chelsea, Massachusetts in defense of his "colored" portion of the heavyweight crown. Johnson, who had met the best heavyweight contenders (compared to the 156 lbs Langford, who had just recently started fighting heavyweights), dominated the bout and won by a lopsided fifteen-round decision. However, Langford's manager, , told everyone who would listen that Langford floored the "Galveston Giant" with a right uppercut and gave him a tremendous battle. Woodman's account persisted for years, which offended Johnson greatly and prompted him to issue a series of vehement denials.

In an open letter to The Ring in 1934, Johnson wrote: “I have accounts of the fight from my dear old friend, Tad (legendary sports writer and cartoonist Tad Dorgan), which show how badly Sam Langford was whipped. Please note the account of our fifteen-round fight at Chelsea, Mass., which I am enclosing. The report shows that I gave poor Sam such a severe trimming that he had to find his way into a hospital to recuperate. The records of that fight prove that statement to be correct."

In 1945, , who believed Johnson was the greatest of all the heavyweight champions, backed up Johnson's account. Waterman stated that he was at the fight and witnessed Johnson dish out a "terrible beating" to the smaller Langford.

In his 1958 book, 50 Years at Ringside, , founder of , produced the testimony of his father-in-law, Dad Phillips, who allegedly saw the fight.

Said Phillips: “Jack Johnson decisively defeated Sam Langford. He was complete master of the situation. Jack so far outclassed Langford that for a time, until he purposely eased up on his onslaughts, the fight was one-sided."

Fleischer once cornered Woodman and good-naturedly demanded the true version of events. According to Fleischer, this was Woodman’s response: “You’ve got me, Nat. Langford never dropped Johnson. But I was anxious to fix up another fight between the two and, knowing Jack’s pride, I invented the story of that knockdown to goad him into the ring against Sam again. Although it never happened, all the newspapermen believed it. They just never took the trouble to investigate. That knockdown was just a publicity gimmick.”





Now enough! Enough wilful and barefaced lying from a tag team of phobic hating trolls one of whom is only here because his compulsive lying hating posts got him permanently banned from another Forum.
A poster who,when he saw a hate post about Joe Louis, made by a banned poster, he gladly, and eagerly took up the cudgels to continue the agenda campaign that got him banned from that other forum.a poster who .since he has nowhere else to go, has happily embraced you as a sad soul mate because he is a social pariah elsewhere and has no allies anywhere.

And definitely enough of hate agenda bull ****!

If you had any self respect,any sense of shame,
you would leave this Forum after being exposed as the malicious troll that you are.


BUT THAT AIN'T YOU SUNSHINE IS IT!

I'm not reading all that bullshyt. Johnson himself said he went down on a slip. It's cited in Moyle's book and elsewhere. You are wrong, I am right, get over it you salty curmudgeon.

[Ivich]

I'm not reading all that bullshyt. Johnson himself said he went down on a slip. It's cited in Moyle's book and elsewhere. You are wrong, I am right, get over it you salty curmudgeon.

Johnson went down from a slip! WOW !! WELL WHOOP DE DO!! HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!
Of course you aren't reading the first hand eyewitness accounts I posted , if you did you would have to address them and since you cannot refute them, you will, as I confidently predicted ignore them.
Have you any idea just how cringingly pathetic you are?
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[GhostofDempsey]

Johnson went down from a slip! WOW !! WELL WHOOP DE DO!! HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!
Of course you aren't reading the first hand eyewitness accounts I posted , if you did you would have to address them and since you cannot refute them, you will, as I confidently predicted ignore them.
Have you any idea just how cringingly pathetic you are?
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I think Johnson knows whether or not he hit the canvas, he said he did on multiple accounts. The slip came after a glancing punch thrown by Langford. I'd say you're the cringy one, so much so you can't seem to get along with anyone on here. You're a stubborn, offensive and abrasive individual. Angry dullard who DKSAB.

[Ivich]

I think Johnson knows whether or not he hit the canvas, he said he did on multiple accounts. The slip came after a glancing punch thrown by Langford. I'd say you're the cringy one, so much so you can't seem to get along with anyone on here. You're a stubborn, offensive and abrasive individual. Angry dullard who DKSAB.

Johnson also knows whether he was knocked down or not!
I get along fine with posters who don't lie troll and can admit they are wrong when presented by first hand , primary sourced ,,evidence to the contrary
Not with Dr Z ,a lying hater,Queensbury Fool a troll ,and you ,a bit of both

None of you are worth a cup of cold spit.
Now stop wasting my time ,you inadequate cabbage!

[Willow The Wisp]

Yeah but some of those DQ's are mysterious!

He heads the Class for DQ'S at the HOF level. Why? Its a mystery to me.

[Willow The Wisp]

The cut - paste arguments are useful instruction for many site visitors I imagine, so I support them until the mud sling stage, which serves no purpose. Threads these days comprised of reanimated threads from (mostly) banned former posters that provoke supporters of either side of the classic vs modern fighter thing, and those that ask such heady questions like "Is Joe Louis overrated?", or "Does Jack Johnson suck?", etc. In the bar (pub) when these things used to come up, I had the head start towards dementia of being drunk.

[GhostofDempsey]

Johnson also knows whether he was knocked down or not!
I get along fine with posters who don't lie troll and can admit they are wrong when presented by first hand , primary sourced ,,evidence to the contrary
Not with Dr Z ,a lying hater,Queensbury Fool a troll ,and you ,a bit of both

None of you are worth a cup of cold spit.
Now stop wasting my time ,you inadequate cabbage!

You get along with posters who kiss your wrinkly arse and agree with you. Otherwise, you're a belligerent know-it-all who never admits when he is wrong. You must be a joy to be around in person.