On an ATG Heavyweight list is Frazier ranked over Foreman?

[billionaire]

Ali lost to Trevor Berbick.... where do you think he ranks?

well lets see, foreman crushed a prime frazier...theres like 7 atg heavyweights better than frazier at least...not to down frazier lets just be honest if it wasnt for ali foreman could have been the greatest heavyweight....

[JAB5239]

well lets see, foreman crushed a prime frazier...theres like 7 atg heavyweights better than frazier at least...not to down frazier lets just be honest if it wasnt for ali foreman could have been the greatest heavyweight....

Foreman was a GREAT fighter but I don't think he would have been the greatest if not for Ali. Jimmy Young put it to him, and if he hadn't I think Holmes would have. JMO, of course.

[billionaire]

Foreman was a GREAT fighter but I don't think he would have been the greatest if not for Ali. Jimmy Young put it to him, and if he hadn't I think Holmes would have. JMO, of course.

only saw the last 2 rounds of jimmy young fight so i cant comment....

as far as holmes i dont fall for larrys **** talking....i cant see foreman getting jabbed all day without fighting back......even ali couldnt dance around him like he did his previous wins with frazier and norton because foreman was too good at cutting off the ring....

[JAB5239]

only saw the last 2 rounds of jimmy young fight so i cant comment....

as far as holmes i dont fall for larrys **** talking....i cant see foreman getting jabbed all day without fighting back......even ali couldnt dance around him like he did his previous wins with frazier and norton because foreman was too good at cutting off the ring....

Its not going to be a walkover for Larry, but I think he still wins it. He has a great jaw (see the shavers fight), better skills and better stamina. I thinki Larry works him with that quick one two, till George starts to tire and then puts him away.

[1SILVA]

So do I. Frazier was a better boxer.

Frazier had a better reign but you can not put a boxer over someone who destroyed him twice. It doesn't make sense.

[GJC]

joe frazier would not even be in my top 100,he got destroyed by foreman,frazier would not beat tommy burns,burns would use is fast hand speed and quick foot work to kayo frazier

Top 100 hws?

[GJC]

joe frazier would not even be in my top 100,he got destroyed by foreman,frazier would not beat tommy burns,burns would use is fast hand speed and quick foot work to kayo frazier

Frazier would totally destroy Burns, was he at number 100 let's hear number 99?

[Obama]

Who you rank on an all time list? I put Frazier over Foreman.

So do I. Frazier was a better boxer.

Frazier is higher on my list

I rank Frazier higher than Foreman.

All of you are crazy. Even in Philadelphia we aren't this delusional.

He'd get outpointed rather easily by Holmes and probably stopped by Lewis. Unless he caught him flush with a huge right or left.

George Foreman gets stopped by Lennox Lewis? You must have meant the other way around. Prime or 40+ year old Foreman, doesn't matter.

Frazier is higher on my list. Yes he lost to Foreman but it was just a bad matchup for him

Yet Foreman has wins over 3 elite Heavyweights and is 20 years apart on the first (Frazier) and the third (Moorer). The other elite Heavyweight he beat was Norton. Frazier only beat 1 elite Heavyweight, Ali. Without Ali, Frazier doesn't even get recognition as an ATG.

I thought we were talking about the past prime Foreman. Prime Foreman would wipe the floor with Lewis and knock out Holmes.

And why exactly would we be comparing a past it Foreman to a prime Joe Frazier?

Ali would also knock out Lewis & Holmes, Jimmy Young was similar to Chris Byrd and Byrd thrived on fighting pressure fighters which is why he completely `shut-out` Holyfield & Tua.. Jimmy Young also beat Ron Lyle, yet he never `knocked down`Foreman, it was ruled as a knock down when Foremans glove touched the canvas but his ass was never on the canvas.. IMO i would fancy Jimmy Young to beat Lewis & Holmes... Joe Frazier would have broken Jimmy Young `in half`

1) Ali can't "knock out" elite fighters that don't gas.

2) Holyfield was over the hill against Byrd and was whoopin up on his ass down the stretch. Looked like it could have been Holyfield's fight if it went 15 rounds.

3) Jimmy Young was harder to hit than Ali, and Jimmy trained out of Frazier's gym. There would be no "breaking in half". Did Frazier break an over the hill Eddie Machen in half? No, and don't quote me the result from boxrec. If you watched the fight you'd know what I'm talking about. Jimmy is too slick for Frazier to do something like that.

joe frazier would not even be in my top 100,he got destroyed by foreman,frazier would not beat tommy burns,burns would use is fast hand speed and quick foot work to kayo frazier

gran?

Foreman makes my top 10, while Frazier is just outside of it.

Ditto.

only saw the last 2 rounds of jimmy young fight so i cant comment....

as far as holmes i dont fall for larrys **** talking....i cant see foreman getting jabbed all day without fighting back......even ali couldnt dance around him like he did his previous wins with frazier and norton because foreman was too good at cutting off the ring....

Boxing ability of prime Holmes > past it Ali

[Brassangel]

can he be ranked higher than foreman even though he lost to him?

Yes. For the same reason that most sane people rank Mike Tyson higher than either Holyfield.

Frazier was a better overall boxer, and did more as champion than Foreman.

Just because he lost to Foreman doesn't mean he wasn't as good on the all-time list.

Is Joe Louis ranked higher than Rocky Marciano? Is Jack Dempsey ranked higher than Tunney?

I'm not saying I rank them in any particular order, but it is certainly possible.

only saw the last 2 rounds of jimmy young fight so i cant comment....

as far as holmes i dont fall for larrys **** talking....i cant see foreman getting jabbed all day without fighting back......even ali couldnt dance around him like he did his previous wins with frazier and norton because foreman was too good at cutting off the ring....

But Holmes had a much more potent jab than did Ali and could actually fire back with power. He not only would be able to fend off Foreman, he would be punishing him; while Ali basically avoided him until he got tired.

And no, those guys would not knock out Lennox Lewis. His chin was not glass. He had two fights where he came in fat and fought like a chode. There's a video floating around somewhere that absolutely puts to bed the notion that Lewis couldn't take a punch.

With his size, reach, power, skill, adjustments on the fly, etc., he would be a tough game for most opponents in history.

[sonnyboyx2]

All of you are crazy. Even in Philadelphia we aren't this delusional.



George Foreman gets stopped by Lennox Lewis? You must have meant the other way around. Prime or 40+ year old Foreman, doesn't matter.



Yet Foreman has wins over 3 elite Heavyweights and is 20 years apart on the first (Frazier) and the third (Moorer). The other elite Heavyweight he beat was Norton. Frazier only beat 1 elite Heavyweight, Ali. Without Ali, Frazier doesn't even get recognition as an ATG.



And why exactly would we be comparing a past it Foreman to a prime Joe Frazier?



1) Ali can't "knock out" elite fighters that don't gas.

2) Holyfield was over the hill against Byrd and was whoopin up on his ass down the stretch. Looked like it could have been Holyfield's fight if it went 15 rounds.

3) Jimmy Young was harder to hit than Ali, and Jimmy trained out of Frazier's gym. There would be no "breaking in half". Did Frazier break an over the hill Eddie Machen in half? No, and don't quote me the result from boxrec. If you watched the fight you'd know what I'm talking about. Jimmy is too slick for Frazier to do something like that.



gran?



Ditto.



Boxing ability of prime Holmes > past it Ali

if McCall and Rahman could KO Lewis then Foreman would `Behead` him..

Frazier beat prime `Ringo Bonavena (twice) stopped Chuvalo, stopped Quarry (twice) beat Muhammad Ali, Knocked Out Jimmy Ellis (twice) KOd Mathis, Stander & Bob Foster and beat a young Joe Bugner.. he also "Broke Eddie Machen up" all fights which i have in my collection, IMO Fraziers record is excellent as all of the above fighters was in their absolute Prime when Frazier beat them..Who else knocked out these fighters other than Muhammad Ali.

Frazier took part in 4 Ring Magazine Fights of the Year How many did Lennox Lewis & Larry Holmes take part in..... NONE because they never fought the competition that Joe Frazier fought, they was never willing to lay it all on the line like Frazier did, the bottom line is those two fighters was not in the same league as Joe Frazier

Muhammad Ali had excellent punching power and to claim he did not is ridiculous ..

Jimmy Young is vastly over rated his only claim to fame is having Foreman trip-over his foot and touch the canvas with his glove otherwise Foreman was a clear winner.. Chris Byrd was twice as good as Jimmy Young..

Byrd was a clear winner over Holyfield all be it an old Holyfield and regardless of how many rounds the fight was fought over Byrd would have won.