Ray Robinson Question

[ßringer]

Throughout history there have been dozens upon dozens of good-to-great fighters who've had issues with spousal abuse.

Ray was no different ; he wasn't superman, or anything other than just another flawed human being.

On a peronal level, I don't agree with it whenever anybody lays their hands on a female in an abusive fashion ; fighter or not.

But I am of the belief that nobody in this world is perfect and we all have our own flaws, faults, and crosses to bear.

Therefore I do not pass judgement on any man.

And professionally, it does nothing to change the fact that Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter to ever put on a pair of gloves.

I'll leave you with a great quote from "Bright Lights, Dark Shadows".

Anybody can lead a life where everything goes smoothly. But what's much more interesting is the flaws. Mistakes will be made ; it's a question of what you do after.

[Thread Stealer]

Ray Robinson was a beater of women, and his children also. It was discussed in the documentary "Bright Lights and Dark Shadows". One of his sons described an incident where he yelled "stop!" when Ray was beating up Edna Mae, and Ray looked at his son in shock. Another time he knocked his son to the floor and his son said to him "does that make you feel like the champion?"

One of Ray's sons, I believe Ray Jr, said he believes his mother's miscarriages were because of Ray's physical abuse of her.

Sugar Ray Leonard also admitted that he physically abused Juanita, while he was going through problems with alcohol and *******.

Great fighters, but deeply troubled people.

We have only the allegations of Slimey Limey and Billionaire (outspoken Louis haters) quoting a single source that others have already shown to be a sensationalizing muck-raking piece and NOT a credible source.

Poet

Joe Louis wrote about the incident with Lena in his autobiography.

[Thread Stealer]

This is from a biography about Louis written by someone else. I do remember Louis discussing the incident with Lena in detail in his autobiography as well.

[Spartacus Sully]

"When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police."


Now lets compare the two:

so lena had agreed to keep score in your version.

she was flying to arizona to entertain the troops in your version

joe had smacked her in your version

and the only one that saved her was lenas cousin in your version


really now how many versions are there of the same story?

seems afterwards he went on an army troupe tour thing with a few other boxers like sugar ray robinson...bet they shared some good stories.

"In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr."

as mentioned in his auto biography? yeah as mickey mentioned 2 baseball corespondents and joe louis in a mental hospital wrote this.

Not saying joe didnt hit her, just saying that its more dangerous to only know 50% of the facts (slimeys sig) then to know nothing at all.

[JAB5239]

Not saying joe didnt hit her, just saying that its more dangerous to only know 50% of the facts (slimeys sig) then to know nothing at all.

There is an old saying that goes "its better to remain silent and let people think you're an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Sally Limey has clearly never heard or understood this saying.

[mickey malone]

"When Joe Louis asked Lena Horne, with whom he was then having a relationship, to keep score for him at a Hollywood golf benefit, the singer refused -- she was entertaining troops that day. Joe hit her with a left hook. Then he started to choke her. In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr., Louis said that the only thing that saved Lena's life was an aunt in the next room who threatened to call the police."


Now lets compare the two:

so lena had agreed to keep score in your version.

she was flying to arizona to entertain the troops in your version

joe had smacked her in your version

and the only one that saved her was lenas cousin in your version


really now how many versions are there of the same story?

seems afterwards he went on an army troupe tour thing with a few other boxers like sugar ray robinson...bet they shared some good stories.

"In his 1978 autobiography, written with Edna and Art Rust Jr."

as mentioned in his auto biography? yeah as mickey mentioned 2 baseball corespondents and joe louis in a mental hospital wrote this.

Not saying joe didnt hit her, just saying that its more dangerous to only know 50% of the facts (slimeys sig) then to know nothing at all.

Billionaire kind'a backs him, but mainly on the use of drugs, which I'll accept he participated in during retirement, but a lot of that was to do with temporary wealth & slight brain damage suffered in the ring, probably against Marciano..
However, Billionaire doesn't seem at all confident on the assault alegation.. I believe he was just the 1st guy to post the info, & Slimey then picked up on it like a bluebottle to dogs ****.. Yes, he's a hater alright..

[Slimey Limey]

Thread Stealer, practicely one of the best factual posters is even agreeing with me. That's 3 against several nuthuggers who can't be taken seriously. Again, the proof is just that. What you ****s can't seem to do is disprove it.

Just accept the fact lads. Your idol was a scumbag who tried to murder his woman for something petty.

Your other idol beat just about everyone in his family. I didn't know about Salty GAY Robinson beating up his own children. That's the good juicy stuff.

[mickey malone]

Guess whose back, Guess whose back, Guess whose back... lol

[Gettin Jiggy]

Ray Robinson was a beater of women, and his children also. It was discussed in the documentary "Bright Lights and Dark Shadows". One of his sons described an incident where he yelled "stop!" when Ray was beating up Edna Mae, and Ray looked at his son in shock. Another time he knocked his son to the floor and his son said to him "does that make you feel like the champion?"

One of Ray's sons, I believe Ray Jr, said he believes his mother's miscarriages were because of Ray's physical abuse of her.

Sugar Ray Leonard also admitted that he physically abused Juanita, while he was going through problems with alcohol and *******.

Joe Louis wrote about the incident with Lena in his autobiography.

wow shocked about leonard and louis. thanks for confiming everything.

[mickey malone]

wow shocked about leonard and louis. thanks for confiming everything.

The 1 off quote on Louis doesn't come from a reliable source.. He was in a mental hospital at the time.. The supposed author(s) were baseball correspondents doing a 1 off boxing book, while Louis lie on his death bed & unable to think for himself.. This was an ideal opportunity, to sell controversy, with minimal chance of liability.. Maybe it's time to do a 'boxers who bashed their women' thread.. Must admit, I've never heard about SRL & ******* either, but if he was on it at the time, he probably did, but only if.. So easy to take peoples words, & in an ideal world I'd like to, but it aint, so we can never be too sure... There's so many **** stirrers & spin doctors out there..