How didn't Tommy 'The Duke' Morrision make the ring 100 greatest punchers list?

[cotto16]

Here's the list
Morrison should be on here, ruddock made it?
Joe Louis
Sam Langford
Jimmy Wilde
Archie Moore
Sandy Saddler
Stanley Ketchel
Jack Dempsey
Bob Fitzsimmons
George Foreman
Earnie Shavers
Sugar Ray Robinson
Ruben Olivares
Wilfredo Gomez
Rocky Marciano
Sonny Liston
Mike Tyson
Bob Foster
Thomas Hearns
Khaosai Galaxy
Alexis Arguello
Carlos Zarate
Max Baer
Rocky Graziano
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Julian Jackson
Danny Lopez
Gerald McClellan
Roberto Duran
Rodrigo Valdez
Felix Trinidad
Pipino Cuevas
James J. Jeffries
Lennox Lewis
Bennie Briscoe
Marvin Hagler
Edwin Rosario
Tommy Ryan
John Mugabi
Joe Frazier
Carlos Monzon
Tony Zale
Michael Spinks
Joe Gans
Elmer Ray
George Godfrey
Naseem Hamed
Alfonso Zamora
David Tua
Cleveland Williams
Julio Cesar Chavez
Tiger Jack Fox
Joe Walcott
Gerry Cooney
Al (Bummy) Davis
Max Schmeling
Florentino Fernandez
Henry Armstrong
Bob Satterfield
Al Hostak
Jesus Pimentel
Eugene (Cyclone) Hart
Lew Jenkins
Harry Wills
Tom Sharkey
Terry McGovern
Jersey Joe Walcott
Kostya Tszyu
Leotis Martin
Buddy Baer
Donovan (Razor) Ruddock
Jose Luis Ramirez
Tommy Gomez
Jose Napoles
Kid McCoy
Antonio Esparragoza
Ricardo Moreno
Evander Holyfield
Ike Williams
Luis Angel Firpo
Ricardo Lopez
Humberto Gonzalez
Bobby Chacon
Jock McAvoy
Eduardo Lausse
Eder Jofre
Charley Burley
Mike McCallum
Salvador Sanchez
Roy Jones Jr.
Rodolfo Gonzalez
Nigel Benn
(Irish) Bob Murphy
Paul Berlenbach
Battling Torres
Chalky Wright
George (K.O.) Chaney
Andy Ganigan
Fred Fulton
Ingemar Johansson
Charley White

[TheGreatA]

Probably because he didn't stop anybody aside from a past prime Ruddock.

[StarshipTrooper]

Maybe because they don't count 'roid power?

Poet

[cotto16]

Probably because he didn't stop anybody aside from a past prime Ruddock.

Well if thats the case who did Ruddock stop???

[TheGreatA]

Well if thats the case who did Ruddock stop???

Both stopped similar level of opposition but Ruddock did it more impressively (watch his KO's of Dokes and Smith).

Morrison made Thomas quit in one round and stopped Williams on his feet.

[cotto16]

Both stopped similar level of opposition but Ruddock did it more impressively (watch his KO's of Dokes and Smith).

Morrison made Thomas quit in one round and stopped Williams on his feet.

But Morrison ko'd the better fighter in ruddock even if he was past his pime. Dokes was also past his prime!

[Boogie Nights]

Probably because he didn't stop anybody aside from a past prime Ruddock.

well that's talking about opposition and it's different. surely the better quality your ko victim is, the more it pays compliments to your power. BUT you mean to tell me that because Tommy lost to the best guys of that particular generation and knocked out only lesser opponents he doesnt deserve to be on that list?

I consider George Foreman probably the hardest hitting heavyweight ever, harder puncher than Shavers. But if judging the way you put it, then who did he ever knockout worth mentioning, aside from a semi shot, unmotivated Frazier with suspect chin, and Ken Norton who was Ko'd 3 other times by the time his career was over.

I could also pick out a dozen guys on that list who didnt really need to be there.

Tommy deserves to be on that list, without question.

[Boogie Nights]

Maybe because they don't count 'roid power?

Poet

then take Holyfield off your top 10 list

roids had nothing to do with his left hand, just like roids didnt make Toney a better heavyweight than he already was.

[TheGreatA]

well that's talking about opposition and it's different. surely the better quality your ko victim is, the more it pays compliments to your power. BUT you mean to tell me that because Tommy lost to the best guys of that particular generation and knocked out only lesser opponents he doesnt deserve to be on that list?

I consider George Foreman probably the hardest hitting heavyweight ever, harder puncher than Shavers. But if judging the way you put it, then who did he ever knockout worth mentioning, aside from a semi shot, unmotivated Frazier with suspect chin, and Ken Norton who was Ko'd 3 other times by the time his career was over.

I could also pick out a dozen guys on that list who didnt really need to be there.

Tommy deserves to be on that list, without question.

But the Ring Magazine picked the fighters based on a particular criteria (impressive KO's against impressive opposition), not necessarily on pure power.

Morrison has solid wins such as Foreman, Ruddock, Thomas, Williams, Hipps but he did not KO them as brutally as Ruddock did his opposition.

KO'ing Frazier (who certainly did not have a suspect chin) and Norton is a bit different from KO'ing the likes of Thomas, Williams, Hipps. What matters as well is the manner in which they were KO'd.


Morrison's best KO






Ruddock KO Dokes 0:30 Ruddock KO Smith 1:55

I myself rate Morrison's hook as one of the best left hooks in the heavyweight division but I can see why he is not rated as one of the greatest punchers of all time. He was one of the hardest hitters without a doubt.

[Boogie Nights]

But the Ring Magazine picked the fighters based on a particular criteria (impressive KO's against impressive opposition), not necessarily on pure power.

Morrison has solid wins such as Foreman, Ruddock, Thomas, Williams, Hipps but he did not KO them as brutally as Ruddock did his opposition.

KO'ing Frazier (who certainly did not have a suspect chin) and Norton is a bit different from KO'ing the likes of Thomas, Williams, Hipps. What matters as well is the manner in which they were KO'd.

Then they can put another great left hooker Gerry Cooney out. I understand knocking Lyle out of the ring and brutalizing Norton inside a round is impressive, but if he's in, Morrison needs to be in.

As far as Frazier's chin goes, maybe not a suspect but not great either. I say solid. He was knocked down by Bonavena twice, wobbled by Quarry, He was a little shook by Manuel Ramos. In any case, i defended Joe when people said he had glass after watching the Foreman fight. Being hurt by Quarry and Bonavena shouldnt fault him too much, guys had nuclear weapons inside leather gloves.