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    #31
    I think Liston was the harder puncher and more heavy handed. I think Tyson's power so effective because he had the speed with it, and Sonny didn't need speed and he wasn't the fastest fighter in the world, he was just a machine. I know Floyd didn't have the best chin, but i don't think Ive ever seen anyone effected that much when they are touched to the head. Not only that but Liston knocked him out twice, and both in the very first round.

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      #32
      Originally posted by mickyward5656 View Post
      Who do you guys think hit harder, Sonny Liston or Mike Tyson? I believe Liston was the hardest hitter in boxing history, but what do you guys think???
      Very good question. On my vote I picked Tyson. But thinking a bit more about it, I'll swing more towards Liston, because he was just so naturally strong. Tyson's hand speed and aggression contributed to his awesome power, but if Sonny touch you, it was over. I think the hardest puncher ever though was Ernie Shavers. What do you think?

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        #33
        Originally posted by them_apples View Post
        Liston treated 150 lb bags like 40 lbders..he had arms like Foreman and even bigger fists. It's to bad he wasn't the quickest fighter, with his genetic gifts (massive fists and reach).

        In terms of a Jab i'm gonna say Holmes had a better jab, maybe not heavier but definently better. Listons was a heavy jab that he used his reach to his advantage.
        I agree. I'm not much of a Holmes fan, and there were no great fighters in is day to really gage his place in history. But I do believe he had one of, if not the best jab in boxing history(though he could get a little lazy with it at times and get caught by an over hand right at times. Shavers could've been champion if he could've calmed down after hurting Holmes). Listons was much harder though, and very effective.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Ernie M View Post
          Very good question. On my vote I picked Tyson. But thinking a bit more about it, I'll swing more towards Liston, because he was just so naturally strong. Tyson's hand speed and aggression contributed to his awesome power, but if Sonny touch you, it was over. I think the hardest puncher ever though was Ernie Shavers. What do you think?
          honestly from watching both liston and shavers fight, it looked to me that liston was the stronger puncher. I know ali said shavers hit him the hardest, but watch the ali-liston fights, liston never landed a good hard clean punch on him like shavers did. some say liston lost to ali because ali's speed was much to overwelming, yes there was defentaly an issue there. but i am still a firm believer that both fights were fixed. a 21-22 year old kid beating the most feared athlete the world had seen to that piont. i dont think so. just my opinion.

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            #35
            Originally posted by mickyward5656 View Post
            honestly from watching both liston and shavers fight, it looked to me that liston was the stronger puncher. I know ali said shavers hit him the hardest, but watch the ali-liston fights, liston never landed a good hard clean punch on him like shavers did. some say liston lost to ali because ali's speed was much to overwelming, yes there was defentaly an issue there. but i am still a firm believer that both fights were fixed. a 21-22 year old kid beating the most feared athlete the world had seen to that piont. i dont think so. just my opinion.

            tyson hit harder than liston and shavers . tyson knocked his sparring partners out with 18 ounce gloves. also shavers and listons gloves were a lot less padded . they were made from horse hair . also tyson is the only fighter to knock down oliver mccall who had probably the best chin in heavyweight history.

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              #36
              Originally posted by catskills23 View Post
              tyson hit harder than liston and shavers . tyson knocked his sparring partners out with 18 ounce gloves. also shavers and listons gloves were a lot less padded . they were made from horse hair . also tyson is the only fighter to knock down oliver mccall who had probably the best chin in heavyweight history.
              But did Shavers and Liston have the footspeed to dance around the ring?

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                #37
                Mike Tyson

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by catskills23 View Post
                  tyson hit harder than liston and shavers . tyson knocked his sparring partners out with 18 ounce gloves. also shavers and listons gloves were a lot less padded . they were made from horse hair . also tyson is the only fighter to knock down oliver mccall who had probably the best chin in heavyweight history.
                  Horse****. Tyson may have hit the ******* harder or his ex-wives but in the ring no-way. People who know a HELL of a lot more about boxing than you ever will have already rated Shavers the hardest punching Heavyweight ever. Now, go back to drinking your Tyson brand KoolAid you nuthugging fan boi.

                  Poet

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by poet682006 View Post
                    Horse****. Tyson may have hit the ******* harder or his ex-wives but in the ring no-way. People who know a HELL of a lot more about boxing than you ever will have already rated Shavers the hardest punching Heavyweight ever. Now, go back to drinking your Tyson brand KoolAid you nuthugging fan boi.

                    Poet
                    Now for me, I'm no Tyson nuthugger but I have to ask... Why do you think Shavers hits the hardest ever? Word of mouth? Seeing the fights? I saw some of his fights but I just don't fully see it.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by VERSATILE2K9 View Post
                      Now for me, I'm no Tyson nuthugger but I have to ask... Why do you think Shavers hits the hardest ever? Word of mouth? Seeing the fights? I saw some of his fights but I just don't fully see it.
                      A. Watching his fights.
                      B. The views of boxing historians
                      C. The testimonials of fighters that fought Shavers, in particular Larry Holmes
                      who fought them BOTH.

                      Poet

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