In his prime Mike Tyson could have knocked out Joe Frazier

[itwasluck]

Except he didn't and Tyson didn't beat any truely great boxers in his whole career.

[sarcasm]Yea, none at all.[/sarcasm]

[GTTofAK]

I agree after he out of prison he wasn't the fighter he was before. But the same was true before the he went to prison. His skills started demising as soon as he fired Rooney. There are 2 Tyson the young fighter who had the most talent we have ever seen and the headhunter. The perfect fighter he could have been never materialized. There is no prime Tyson.

[Boogie Nights]

I agree after he out of prison he wasn't the fighter he was before. But the same was true before the he went to prison. His skills started demising as soon as he fired Rooney. There are 2 Tyson the young fighter who had the most talent we have ever seen and the headhunter. The perfect fighter he could have been never materialized. There is no prime Tyson.

i disagree with you, mike did enter his prime very early and i thought i had gone over it with you. he matured very early, and by 21 was already the unified undisputed champion. during his title reign he was at his best

when he fired rooney, the discipline wasnt there, training was a little different, and mike had personal problems, doesnt mean he was already burning out. if that was the case then he would have never been able to win title after prison. 4 years of inactivity is what ruined him and made him into a different fighter, he was also bigger and older after prison

there was a prime mike tyson

[The Iron Man]

Tough one to call. Frazier was known to be a slow starter which got him in trouble with many fighters, ali rocked him, foreman KOd him and Oscar B floored him. Tyson was a very fast starter and had the majority of his knock outs in the early rounds.
Frazier tho would fight at a faster tempo than tyson in the later rounds, which is based on previous fights when tyson is most vulnerable.
Both posses the best ever left hooks in the heavyweight division, Tyson tho probably has a better jab, uppercut and right.

I would place my money on a Tyson TKO in round 3. Frazier was in trouble against Bonavena in the early rounds, and seen as Tyson was a harder hitter and a better finisher frazier wouldnt have gone much further. The uppercut would be a great tool in this fight and Tyson possesed one of the best uppercuts, definatley the best in his era (tbh i cant think atm of a better uppercut).
If however Frazier survived, he could have worked his way to a SD ( which could have gone either way). The reason im unsure on frazier KOing Tyson is that Frazier would only take control around the 6th and im not sure that would be long enough to break down tyson

[randy johnson]

tyson's chin was much better than Joes', and so too is his punching power. physically going into the fight, tyson would seem to have all the advantages. i see tyson catching joe, and joe is not that hard to hit. and once the damage occurs, tyson would be all over him. next to Joe Louis, and Ray Leonard, and Ray Robinson, tyson is one of the greatest finishers. he wont try any funny stuff, he'll just try to kill him.


I guess being knocked out 5 times in his career made his chin great huh? At best Tyson had a average chin. Look at Buster Douglas ko percentage and you will see it was pretty average. If you are going to say Tyson was past his prime against Holyfield then you can also say Holyfield was past his prime as well which is the reason Tyson paid Lennox Lewis 4 million dollars to step aside so he could fight Holyfield and still was knocked out. Lewis is also older than Tyson and known for having a shaking chin. Tyson couldnt hurt him at all and as we know your punching power doesnt just leave you because you are in your 30s. Danny Williams was and still is a complete nobody and he stopped Tyson. Dont make excuses and say Tyson hurt his knee because tons of fighters are injured while boxing and dont lose to bums. McBride a nobody took Tysons best punches and stopped Tyson.

If Joe Frazier spent his whole career fighting bums and people paid to take a dive he would of had just as much sucess as Tyson had. When ever Tyson fought somebody not controlled by Don King he lost. Besides Rocky Marciano, Dempsey and Tunney I cant think of a more overrated heavyweight in boxing history. Frazier beats him everytime.

( By the way Tyson started his career at about 205 as well but that doesnt mean that was his prime weight. Just because Frazier was 205 against Ali doesnt mean he was always that weight. Foreman came in to fights in his pime against inferior opponents weighing as low as 213. Lennox Lewis was much lighter in the earlier part of his career....infact he was in the 220's into his late 20's. Size would play no part in a Tyson Frazier battle. If anything Frazier is usually listed at 6'0 while Tyson is no taller than 5'10"

[Boogie Nights]

tyson's chin was much better than Joes', and so too is his punching power. physically going into the fight, tyson would seem to have all the advantages. i see tyson catching joe, and joe is not that hard to hit. and once the damage occurs, tyson would be all over him. next to Joe Louis, and Ray Leonard, and Ray Robinson, tyson is one of the greatest finishers. he wont try any funny stuff, he'll just try to kill him.


I guess being knocked out 5 times in his career made his chin great huh? At best Tyson had a average chin. Look at Buster Douglas ko percentage and you will see it was pretty average. If you are going to say Tyson was past his prime against Holyfield then you can also say Holyfield was past his prime as well which is the reason Tyson paid Lennox Lewis 4 million dollars to step aside so he could fight Holyfield and still was knocked out. Lewis is also older than Tyson and known for having a shaking chin. Tyson couldnt hurt him at all and as we know your punching power doesnt just leave you because you are in your 30s. Danny Williams was and still is a complete nobody and he stopped Tyson. Dont make excuses and say Tyson hurt his knee because tons of fighters are injured while boxing and dont lose to bums. McBride a nobody took Tysons best punches and stopped Tyson.

If Joe Frazier spent his whole career fighting bums and people paid to take a dive he would of had just as much sucess as Tyson had. When ever Tyson fought somebody not controlled by Don King he lost. Besides Rocky Marciano, Dempsey and Tunney I cant think of a more overrated heavyweight in boxing history. Frazier beats him everytime.

( By the way Tyson started his career at about 205 as well but that doesnt mean that was his prime weight. Just because Frazier was 205 against Ali doesnt mean he was always that weight. Foreman came in to fights in his pime against inferior opponents weighing as low as 213. Lennox Lewis was much lighter in the earlier part of his career....infact he was in the 220's into his late 20's. Size would play no part in a Tyson Frazier battle. If anything Frazier is usually listed at 6'0 while Tyson is no taller than 5'10"

lol probably the ****ies and most hateful post i ever read, complete bull**** you spewing son. Meh, even Poet has you on his ignore list. Tyson was only knocked out 4 times, against Kevin McBride, he retired (or quit) in his corner. All those kos, and tks came from accumilation of shots.

you comparing Tyson and holyfield's primes? WOW. Hoylfield didnt spend nearly 4 years in prison, Holyfield also continued fighting with great results challenging for belts, and fighting with likes of Lewis, Ruiz, and still is fighting. tyson's career went down hill. Lennox matured much later. You have a pretty ****ed up way of comparing primes together.

Tyson never, ever weighed 205 pounds in his pro career. At least get your facts straight. In the amateurs yes, in the pros his lightest weight was 212 pounds, and it was only once. His ideal weight was around 215 pounds.

i cant believe i replied to this ******ity

[Boogie Nights]

Tough one to call. Frazier was known to be a slow starter which got him in trouble with many fighters, ali rocked him, foreman KOd him and Oscar B floored him. Tyson was a very fast starter and had the majority of his knock outs in the early rounds.
Frazier tho would fight at a faster tempo than tyson in the later rounds, which is based on previous fights when tyson is most vulnerable.
Both posses the best ever left hooks in the heavyweight division, Tyson tho probably has a better jab, uppercut and right.

I would place my money on a Tyson TKO in round 3. Frazier was in trouble against Bonavena in the early rounds, and seen as Tyson was a harder hitter and a better finisher frazier wouldnt have gone much further. The uppercut would be a great tool in this fight and Tyson possesed one of the best uppercuts, definatley the best in his era (tbh i cant think atm of a better uppercut).
If however Frazier survived, he could have worked his way to a SD ( which could have gone either way). The reason im unsure on frazier KOing Tyson is that Frazier would only take control around the 6th and im not sure that would be long enough to break down tyson

nice read iron man. Basically one guy was more effective early, the other guy got effective as soon as he warmed up and got into his groove. The majority of fighters who hurt Frazier did it early. I dont think that Frazier's chin was horrible but it was not his best asset.

Also thanks for mentioning Tyson's uppecut. I have always said that Tyson had one of the greatest uppecuts, no worse if not much more effective than Foreman's uppercut.

Tyson busted up Ferguson's nose with his uppercut. He also tagged Alonzo Ratliff with a finishing sequence of punches which included the uppercut in the end. Lorenzo Boyd flew half way across the ring from Tyson's uppercut. Buster Douglas also tasted it in the 8th round. He damn nearly killed Frazier's son with it. Tyson also said it was his favourite punch.

In the interview before fighting Marvis Frazier, Tyson actually said that he was gonna get him with an uppercut because when Marvis bobs and weaves he tends to bob forward, being vulnerable to a punch that comes in the upward motion.

fraizer also ducked his heard forward, there would be a good chance of tyson catching him with that punch.

[KostyaTszyu44]

i think joe had the skills and the tenacity to hang with mike until mike starts to fade and then the superbly conditioned frazier could move in for the stoppage


but then again frazier was battered senseless by foreman but i think that was just a poor style match up for frazier, in this fight both men are comparable height and weight and both used the bob and weave and were good inside fighters, frazier would outlast mike and wouldnt be afraid to stand up to him