Tyson - Holyfield I II III?

[duffgun]

Ok, with Tyson-Holyfield III taking up a large part of the boxing news i decided to watch their fights and see How holyfield won. Now please remember tyson is my favourite fighter but i think of myself as an unbiased fan, for instance i dnt rate him as number 1 or think he would destroy some1 like foreman.

From the first fight i gatherd this. Round 1 Tyson started of brilliantly and rocked holyfield with the first punch, evander then started tieing tyson up and gave a good account of himself. The second round was either even or went holyfields way. By the 4th and 5th round Tyson was starting to show more dominance, he rocked holyfield got in some clean shots. The commentators are talking about how holyfield has tierd and tysons strength has taken its toll. Round 6 tyson again started off well, until the headbutt, tyson was cut. He got nervous and the crowed were making it clear whos side they were on he rushed in and got caught off balance. This was the downfall of the fight, and the unoficial score card had tyson ahead wen he was cut. So i ask you to watch this fight, watch it as though u have never seen it before and tell me whether u think im right? or you think im being an idiot lol!

Once this is discussed we can move on the II and the possibility of III

I agree I had Tyson ahead jst before the cut he seemed to be settling into a rhythm then **** he went to pieces as soon as he got cut. I have heard people saying that Tyson was completely out classed but I don’t agree he was jst ahead going into the 6th, I think it does show though that Tyson was not mentally strong by this point.

[sterling]

tyson if he was a mentally strong fighter he wud of beeen the best but he fell apart

[Genman1988]

I think that with all the hoopla that surrounds/ed Mike in his boxing career, one thing has been nearly completely missed...

Under Cuss he became a defensive genious. If he didnt knock those guys out with 1st or 2nd attacks, he could go 12 rounds without hardly being hit.

For a guy his size, he was freakishly explosive in all parts of bodily movement. In the Danny Williams fight, he boxed a little on the back foot, but not too far away, simply ducking away from shots and coutering with 2 punch combinations. He did it 2 or 3 times, his power evident. Then there was a moment when he idd his knee and the fight was done.

In the McBride fight he simply went after a big fat bum and tried to knock him out like he did when he was 21.

Its very obvious that he isnt the explosive tank that he was back then... but what he still is, is naturally quicker than most HVs out there, with a better punch.

Now my theory is, and its just mine, im not trying to convert anyone... (so dont rip into me on this is that if he got himself into shape, and trained to fight conservatively, ducking weaving and counterpunching, for 12 rounds, he could be a contender again. (Im not saying anything like hel batter Klitschko, but he may be pretty good..)

Maybe now, his more peaceful state of mind, what seems like a slightly calmer preception of the world, and dire financial situation will be the motivation for him to get in serious shape, drop the weight and train to be like what I said above.

Im not holding my breath, but while hes in debt and still under 45... theres always a slim chance... so I am hopeful. (not of a 250 pound mike getting pounded and quitting after 4 rounds somehwere in russia... but of what i mentioned above)

Would obvuiously like to hear some thoughts on this, and if theres anybody who thinks anything similar...

[slickPUG]

The first fight, was really a good fight. Tyson was so strong and aggressive, he came out so hard. Holyfield had a good plan, and stuck to it, he worked the body, made sure to not be backed up, he pushed Tyson around, used a good left jab, and made sure to hit, and hurt Tyson. Tyson did indeed get some good licks in, but in the end just was the worse for wear, and took the heavier punishment. Awesome fight, &what a night for boxing. I was jumping up and down when Mike went down in the 5th from that off balance body shot.

[The Iron Man]

Thanks for the opinions people. Its weird, it had been drilled into me that Tyson was outclassed in the first fight, but wen u watch it properly u realise that is not the case. As for Tyson - Holyfield III, i would love mike to win, but i just cant see it happening, even if he does get in shape he hasnt fought for almost 3 years.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Tyson is never beating Holyfield, peak or not. He does not like being pushed backward and taking dozens of punches each round and thats Holyfield's game. It takes Tyson out of his game because he is use to being the aggressor. Evander is a machine that never stops coming and i can't see Mike holding up mentally. Tyson likes to be the bully and Holyfield has always proved that hes the bully.

I see the third fight being similar to Willams/Tyson or McBride/Tyson. Where Tyson puts in effort in the first three rounds until he gives up. Holyfield has more in left in the tank. Physically and mentally. Holyfield TKO 4 in the end of their trilogy. (If it happens)

[Jim Jeffries]

Tyson is never beating Holyfield, peak or not. He does not like being pushed backward and taking dozens of punches each round and thats Holyfield's game. It takes Tyson out of his game because he is use to being the aggressor. Evander is a machine that never stops coming and i can't see Mike holding up mentally. Tyson likes to be the bully and Holyfield has always proved that hes the bully.

I see the third fight being similar to Willams/Tyson or McBride/Tyson. Where Tyson puts in effort in the first three rounds until he gives up. Holyfield has more in left in the tank. Physically and mentally. Holyfield TKO 4 in the end of their trilogy. (If it happens)

I agree that Holyfield beats him now, and a 34 year old Evander sure seemed to have a 30 yo Tyson's number, but do you think that Evander (at any point) would have beaten a 22/23 year old Mike?

[slicksouthpaw16]

I agree that Holyfield beats him now, and a 34 year old Evander sure seemed to have a 30 yo Tyson's number, but do you think that Evander (at any point) would have beaten a 22/23 year old Mike?

Yes, Tyson is used to being the aggressor and Holyfield does not allow him to do that. Tyson needs to be pushing his opponent back in order to be comfortable. Holyfield's work rate would be too much for Tyson's heart to handle. When the momentum is not in his favor, then he will lose confidence.

Tyson would look better an opponent that is trying to out box him, then he will be fighting his fight and doing what he is used to. Holyfield/Liston/Ibeabuchi,Foreman/Tua/Frazier ect would all be too much for him because they will not fight his fight and back him up.

[slickPUG]

The selfish part of me wants to see Tyson fight again, but mostly, I want to see him stay in retirement, and in a few years, be inducted into the international boxing hall of fame, and never get hit for money again.

Tyson-Holyfield III?...The general consensus is that Holyfield has more left, and stops Tyson again, but much sooner than the 1st fight. Holy has been pretty active, and has fought a few decent fighters, and hasn't had trouble going 10-12 rounds, he hasn't been busted up, can still put combinations together pretty well, and move on his toes for an entire fight, his conditioning for an athlete his age is impeccable. Mike has been out of the ring for a while, and in his last bout, despite what his trainer &himself had to say about his conditioning, he had a hard time after 3 or 4 rounds, and ultimately got frustrated, and decided to call it a night after getting pushed around and beat up a little, in a fight he could have won. I would love to see Tyson back in the the ring, in great shape, ready to go 10 tough rounds, but I don't see that happening, he's 41 years old, and has been out for to long.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Wow, some ridiculous comments here. Despite Tyson knocking out a bunch of nobody's after prison, he would never be the fighter he was under Rooney. Besides all that, I think he took Holyfield too lightly. Holyfield, even though going through his own troubles, remained active all those years Tyson was locked up. At this point you can throw in all the right strategies Holyfield used to neutralize Tyson's power, but that was just a fraction of what helped him win that fight. Tyson was also in just as good of shape as he was against Douglas, which isn't saying much. Hopefully some of you will someday realize that there is much more to boxing than boxing. Tyson lost what he had long before the Holyfield fights, and if they fight a third time, Tyson gets knocked out again. He has no chance what so ever.