Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano

[metalinmybrain]

I would like to know your thoughts on who would win in a dream match between Mike Tyson and Rocky Marciano, but not exactly focusing on their primes but rather the Tyson that destroyed Michael Spinks 90 seconds into the first round vs the Rocky Marciano who drilled Joe Walcott in the first round. Who would win and why?

[sleazyfellow]

what the **** there is a fantasy fights forum you know.....and this particular match up has been debated to hell already. I say fanman wins by ko round 27 (bare knuckle rules) and then challenges rid**** bowe and evander holyfield at the same time.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Tyson. Why? For many reasons but I'll give you one. Because, Jake La Mota told Tyson at 20: "your a bigger and stronger Marciano, there's no question about it."

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

maricano's size is talked about so much, but people forget
joe louis regularly fought at or near 215. so, my point is
if marciano can beat a 215lbs fighter of joe louis' caliber
he can beat the 225lbs guys of today.

Just picked this quote up of another thread dealing with this same issue. Is there really boxing fans this ****** and blind on this forum? LOL

[hemichromis]

i think tyson would start too fast for marciano and beat him, that siad after 3-4 rounds tyson would start to slow and marciano would just be starting to come on!

[Hawkins]

Well I'm going to respond, but afterward I'm done with all the Marciano/Tyson stuff.

Lets look at their styles first - Mike Tyson. He's a straight ahead swarming puncher, with good handspeed, who has good defense via the constant head movement and bobbing and weaving. He comes at you and waits for his openings and unleashes powerful combinations but at the same time is hard to hit because of his defense. Also has a good chin and can take a hard punch. Has trouble with fighters who show no fear, and take the fight to him. Especially fighters with an excellent jab and decent movement. Known to get frustrated after the early rounds, get away from the aforementionedand revert to head hunting.

Would everyone agree with this assesment?

Marciano - also a swarmer and bruiser who only moves forward. Has a very deceptive defense where as he is always moving, bending and bobbing and ducking. He comes at you and throws powerful punches relentlessly, opening or not, hitting you anywhere and everywhere. Tireless and gets stronger as the bout goes on. Good chin and can take a hard punch. Has trouble with slick boxers and technicians, and guys who can stay on the outside and stick and move with good fundamental skills.

Would everyone agree with this assesment?


Going from these assesments it wouldn't be easy for either man. I think this wouldn't be a difficult match up for both sides. I think the chin of either man somewhat negates the power of the other one.

Tyson would come out and find someone who wouldn't back up or give him an inch and stay on top of him, and also someone who is deceptively hard to hit with a clean punch. Marciano would also find someone who comes at him, who uses good defensive head and body movement thus making him hard to hit cleanly, and someone who uses crisp and fast punches in combination.

I think it would play out in one of two ways. First scenario. Tyson comes out and engages in an all out slugfest with Marciano. His punches finding their mark and bloodying Rocky. Marciano trying to counter-attack but not effectively being able to so. I could see Tyson stopping Marciano early (within the first 3 rounds) on cuts or possibly ref stoppage. I don't think he outright knocks Marciano cold, but a ref stoppage or doctor stoppage would be entirely possible.

Second, Marciano weathers the early storm and takes Tyson in the later rounds. Because of Tyson's frustration at not taking him out early he gets sloppy, becomes a headhunter and starts getting tagged with Marciano's relentless onslaught and is worn down. It's entirely possible that Tyson loses by decision or is stopped by TKO or KO in the late rounds. Unlike Marciano we have seen Tyson wilt under a constant offensive onslaught against him and get KO'd so it's a plausible outcome.

Regardless, it would be a war and something to see.

-Hawk

[them_apples]

Lets look at their styles first - Mike Tyson. He's a straight ahead swarming puncher, with good handspeed, who has good defense via the constant head movement and bobbing and weaving. He comes at you and waits for his openings and unleashes powerful combinations but at the same time is hard to hit because of his defense. Also has a good chin and can take a hard punch. Has trouble with fighters who show no fear, and take the fight to him. Especially fighters with an excellent jab and decent movement. Known to get frustrated after the early rounds, get away from the aforementionedand revert to head hunting.

Tyson did not have trouble with guys who did not fear him, that only happened later on in his career.

Holmes and Seldon did not fear him, yet the same brutal outcome.

another thing, although Tyson pushes the most in the first 3 rounds, he still keeps up the pressure up untill even round 12.


Marciano is tough, smaller, doesn't hit as hard and has good stamina, if we are going with your theory of "boxers would benefit with the tech of today" then he might have a chance, a Direct comparison is probably a 1st or second round knockout, as marciano is to slow and probably couldn't hurt Tyson.

It's been stated before that Marciano wasn't the hardest hitter of his time, only the most relentless.

Being 186 lbs he weighed less than Tyson's heavy bag, and we all know how he tossed that thing around.

[Hawkins]

Seldon did not fear him

You just invalidated your whole argument with that statement right there. Which in turn tells me you have never seen Tyson/Seldon. That man looked like he was 2 seconds away from pissing in his trunks. He didn't even ATTEMPT to fight back. He looked like a deer caught in headlights.

[-CANE-]

Well I'm going to respond, but afterward I'm done with all the Marciano/Tyson stuff.

Lets look at their styles first - Mike Tyson. He's a straight ahead swarming puncher, with good handspeed, who has good defense via the constant head movement and bobbing and weaving. He comes at you and waits for his openings and unleashes powerful combinations but at the same time is hard to hit because of his defense. Also has a good chin and can take a hard punch. Has trouble with fighters who show no fear, and take the fight to him. Especially fighters with an excellent jab and decent movement. Known to get frustrated after the early rounds, get away from the aforementionedand revert to head hunting.

Would everyone agree with this assesment?

Marciano - also a swarmer and bruiser who only moves forward. Has a very deceptive defense where as he is always moving, bending and bobbing and ducking. He comes at you and throws powerful punches relentlessly, opening or not, hitting you anywhere and everywhere. Tireless and gets stronger as the bout goes on. Good chin and can take a hard punch. Has trouble with slick boxers and technicians, and guys who can stay on the outside and stick and move with good fundamental skills.

Would everyone agree with this assesment?


Going from these assesments it wouldn't be easy for either man. I think this wouldn't be a difficult match up for both sides. I think the chin of either man somewhat negates the power of the other one.

Tyson would come out and find someone who wouldn't back up or give him an inch and stay on top of him, and also someone who is deceptively hard to hit with a clean punch. Marciano would also find someone who comes at him, who uses good defensive head and body movement thus making him hard to hit cleanly, and someone who uses crisp and fast punches in combination.

I think it would play out in one of two ways. First scenario. Tyson comes out and engages in an all out slugfest with Marciano. His punches finding their mark and bloodying Rocky. Marciano trying to counter-attack but not effectively being able to so. I could see Tyson stopping Marciano early (within the first 3 rounds) on cuts or possibly ref stoppage. I don't think he outright knocks Marciano cold, but a ref stoppage or doctor stoppage would be entirely possible.

Second, Marciano weathers the early storm and takes Tyson in the later rounds. Because of Tyson's frustration at not taking him out early he gets sloppy, becomes a headhunter and starts getting tagged with Marciano's relentless onslaught and is worn down. It's entirely possible that Tyson loses by decision or is stopped by TKO or KO in the late rounds. Unlike Marciano we have seen Tyson wilt under a constant offensive onslaught against him and get KO'd so it's a plausible outcome.

Regardless, it would be a war and something to see.

-Hawk

We disagree on a few things but some things we see exactly the same.
Your mark for the assesment and outcome of this fight.

A+ or 10/10 which ever you prefer.

I couldn't have put it any better. I'd love to come round your house and watch loads of old fights I think it would be a pretty cool night.

[them_apples]

I have seen it, He looked like he was laughing at mike, or maybe I'm thinking of a different fight..but I don't think I am.


What about Berbick, he attempted to fight back but got owned, in the press release before the fight he had his hopes high just as Spinks did also.


Holmes talked so much smack about Tyson and even mocked him in the ring..