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    #11
    Like the Kid pointed out a few posts back; there are a lot of fighters that COULD possibly defeat a prime George Foreman. How ever, if the question is who do I believe would defeat him, I come up with a very short list.

    The fighters that COULD defeat a prime George Foreman:

    JAMES JACK JEFFRIES:
    From what I can gather from reading about this fighter, Jeffries was one tough sob. He is descriped as a powerful and skilled heavyweight of modern size. His chin is said to have been rock solid, his stamina awesome and his physical strenght enormous. This is all tell-tell signs of Jeffries being able to handle Foreman.

    Still, I have never seen any footage of him, other than his loss at the hands of Jack Johnson. And eventhough is chin was solid, it was most likely never tested against someone who hit at Foremans level.
    I am forced to give Foreman the benefit of the doubt in this one.

    George Foreman by ko.

    JACK JOHNSON:
    A case could also be made for this defensive marvel. Johnson was a slick boxer, who in addition packed a decent punch. He might be able to stay out of Foremans reach to win by decision.

    Still, for the most part Johnson looked great against mediocre opponents, and his chin was questionable at best. Plus, one of Johnsons tactics was to grab and hold his foes when they came close. I would like to see him try holding Foreman... A prime Foreman would run straight through Johnson and beat him by early kayo.

    George Foreman by ko3

    JACK DEMPSEY:
    Dempsey would always have a chance, given his raw power, awesome speed and great explosiveness. His chance would be to get Foreman early, and take him out within five rounds. Lyle proved (against a past prime Foreman) that Foreman could be hurt, and Dempsey was in a different league than Lyle all together.

    How ever, coming straight at Foreman is never a wise strategy, and his size and power advantages would make him the obvious favorite in this fight.

    George Foreman by early stoppage.

    GENE TUNNEY:
    I used to consider Gene Tunney to be a fighter with the style and skill needed to overcome this mighty challenge. He surely had the defensive tools to make this unpleasant for Big George, he seemed to have a solid chin and a true fighters heart.

    Though I still believe the post-Ali version of Foreman would lose this fight, I now think otherwise about the prime version. Tunney would simply be too small to handle the overwhelming force that was a prime Foreman. Today I predict a Foreman-win by early kayo.

    George Foreman by ko3.

    ROCKY MARCIANO:
    As with Dempsey, Marciano always had that punchers chance. Marciano could take a punch and had the necessary stamina to hang on under fire. It is not impossible for him to last through the earlier rounds to come back later on. Granted, Foreman hit hard, but he would find it troublesome to deliver clean shots against the crouching Marciano who always tucked in his chin. Given Marcianos deadly bodyshots, his stamina, his heart and his cast-iron chin, I say it is at least possible for him to win this one. I know Marciano would think so.

    On the other hand, Marcianos style is tailormade for a fighter like Foreman. With his vicious uppercuts, Marciano would have a better time swimming with sharks than he would running towards Foreman. We all saw what happened to Joe Frazier ("the black Marciano" as he was labeled), and chances are the same thing would happen in this fight. I love Marciano, but cannot help to think that Foreman would be the favorite.

    George Foreman by early tko.

    MIKE TYSON:
    As with Dempsey, a prime Tyson had the tools to make this interesting. He was very difficult to hit cleanly, and when he was hit, his chin never failed. I think Foreman would have a hard time in this one, at least early on. Tyson would move side to side and hit Foreman with lightening combinations. I wouldn't be surprised to see Foreman on the canvas as a result. I believe he would get up though.

    Eventhough Tyson probably would land more shots than Foreman early on, he would take a few in return. And Foremans punches stayed with you for a while. Further, considering Foremans chin, I see him lasting through Tysons early assault. Then it would turn into a slugging match, and nobody could outslug George Foreman.
    I see a fading Tyson, who is more and more frustrated, with his fighting spirit failing on him, getting hammered to canvas for keeps inside 5-7 rounds.

    George Foreman by ko.

    RID**** BOWE:
    In his short-spanned prime, Bowe was a great fighter. His abilities on the inside was nothing if not awesome. His size and strenght would also help his chances. Bowe could give Foreman a difficult fight, I am sure.

    I still say Foreman comes out the winner though, simply because of him overwhelming power. Bowe could take a punch, but I see Foreman battering him into submission as he did most of his foes. Bowe would manage to last a few rounds though.

    George Foreman by ko5.


    Fighters like Floyd Patterson (too small and with a glass chin), Evander Holyfield (went 12 rounds against the 42-year-old version) and Lennox Lewis (tiiimmbeer) is not worth considering against a prime George Foreman in my opinion.

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      #12
      Fighters that WOULD defeat a prime George Foreman:

      SONNY LISTON:
      This fight could go either way, but Liston would be the better boxer with the longer reach. In addition he could punch on Foremans level, had a solid chin and paced himself better. This makes me favour Liston against Foreman.

      I believe this fight would be a lot like the Ron Lyle-Foreman fight, only with Liston coming out on top. Foreman would come after Liston, probably hurting him in the process. Liston would hold his ground how ever, returning fire with his perfect left jab and thundering right hand.

      Sonny Liston by tko6.

      LARRY HOLMES:
      In his prime, Holmes was the complete package. He was tremendously skilled, he moved very well, he was fast and strong, his chin made of iron and he had stamina. To top it off, his punch was solid as well. This combined with his heart, make me believe that the crude fighting machine that was George Foreman would lose this one.

      It is of course possible that Foreman would overwhelm Holmes, battering him against the ropes to win by stoppage. This would in fact be of no surprise to me. I don�t think Holmes could survive the �rope-a-dope?as did Muhammad Ali.

      How ever, Holmes in his absolute prime was a very slick fighter with a broader range of defensive abilities than Ali. I believe he could handle the early assault from Foreman because of his chin and defensive skills, and that he would use a tactic consisting of boxing-holding-running for the first four-five rounds. As Foreman began fading, Holmes would start dictating the fight. A tired Holmes defeats an exhausted Foreman by decision.

      Larry Holmes by UD.


      JOE LOUIS:
      Some accuse Louis of being a weak-chinned, flatfooted and slow fighter who only defeated mediocre opponents. The same individuals will of course say that Louis would be brutally dispatched by Foreman inside of one or two rounds. When I first started studying boxing as a youngster, I also believed this to be the case. I saw Foreman being too big and too powerful for Louis to handle. After all, if Louis could be knocked down by fighters like Braddock, Foreman would surely kill him.

      Today I beg to differ. Studying Louis, I find the perfect specimen of a fighter. A wonderful boxer with awesome power, he could deliver knockout punches who only travelled a few inches. His reflexes was superb, his stamina very good, and his heart was unquestionable. And even though he didn�t move very fast, his footwork was excellent. His chin is vastly underrated. Granted, Foremans power would be more than sufficient to put Louis?lights out, but to do that, he would have to hit Louis with clean shots on a regular basis. I don�t see that happening.

      I consider the prime Foreman to be too crude and raw against this perfect fighting machine. Louis would block, parry and counter Foremans telegraphed punches, and deliver his own ripping shots. When watching the first round of Foreman vs Ali, it is easy to see how frustrated and bewildered Foreman looks when Ali hits him with several overhand-rights. Well, Louis definitely had the handspeed to do the same, only with deadly force.

      A well-prepared, careful Louis would survive the first half of the fight and batter the fading Foreman to win by late kayo.

      Joe Louis by ko10.

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        #13
        Well done. Good Karma for that.
        Although i disagree that no one could outslug a Prime Foreman.

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          #14
          both KLITSCHKOS.... laugh all you want... You cant me me wrong any more than I can prove me right you speculation carries no more weight than mine.. Your opinion worth no more than mine.. and your brain is prolly smaller ..therefore i will shatter all your ****** nostalgic beliefs that yesteryear was the best ..You idiots need to read a PSYCHOLOGY book which will explain why with nostalgia .. memories are always brighter than the actual even.. The top 10 in 1974 was no better than the top 10 today..
          prove me worng.....!!! oh yeah you cant..

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            #15
            I dont know if you meant anything with that, but i think Vitali Klitchko could handle Big George. He was bigger, strong, even very strong for his size, granite chin for sure, a lot of heart and could punch too. He was more skilled too, he could actually have a game plan, and use his punces effectively rather than swinging wildly and gassing out late. Foreman's ''plan'' was to bully a guy, push him back on the shoulders, and pound away. This would be impossible with Vitali Klitchko. I could see him surviving early, and stopping Foreman late.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Yaman View Post
              Foreman is overrated. You can't possibly pick anyone to beat him, you'll get eaten alive around here.

              On a serious note, i have some people in mind that could.

              Boxers:
              Ali
              Holmes
              Young
              Lewis
              Louis

              Sluggers/Swarmers:
              Liston
              Ibeabuchi
              Tua
              Tyson
              Vitali(i aint kidding)
              Lyle

              Some others have a shot aswell. Remember, Foreman is human, he could be outslugged or outboxed. And the topic is: who could beat a prime George Foreman.

              so your basically mentioning anyone who could possibly beat foreman?
              in that case don't forget shavers with his power he COULD beat anyone he just probably wouldn't!


              of who you mentioned the only one that i would say have over 50% chance of beating him is Ali

              holmes liston tyson lyle and possibly lewis are all tossups as far as i'm concerned

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                #17
                Originally posted by Yaman View Post
                Well done. Good Karma for that.
                Although i disagree that no one could outslug a Prime Foreman.
                let me guess: tyson could!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by M26 View Post
                  Fighters that WOULD defeat a prime George Foreman:

                  SONNY LISTON:
                  This fight could go either way, but Liston would be the better boxer with the longer reach. In addition he could punch on Foremans level, had a solid chin and paced himself better. This makes me favour Liston against Foreman.

                  I believe this fight would be a lot like the Ron Lyle-Foreman fight, only with Liston coming out on top. Foreman would come after Liston, probably hurting him in the process. Liston would hold his ground how ever, returning fire with his perfect left jab and thundering right hand.

                  Sonny Liston by tko6.

                  LARRY HOLMES:
                  In his prime, Holmes was the complete package. He was tremendously skilled, he moved very well, he was fast and strong, his chin made of iron and he had stamina. To top it off, his punch was solid as well. This combined with his heart, make me believe that the crude fighting machine that was George Foreman would lose this one.

                  It is of course possible that Foreman would overwhelm Holmes, battering him against the ropes to win by stoppage. This would in fact be of no surprise to me. I don�t think Holmes could survive the �rope-a-dope?as did Muhammad Ali.

                  How ever, Holmes in his absolute prime was a very slick fighter with a broader range of defensive abilities than Ali. I believe he could handle the early assault from Foreman because of his chin and defensive skills, and that he would use a tactic consisting of boxing-holding-running for the first four-five rounds. As Foreman began fading, Holmes would start dictating the fight. A tired Holmes defeats an exhausted Foreman by decision.

                  Larry Holmes by UD.


                  JOE LOUIS:
                  Some accuse Louis of being a weak-chinned, flatfooted and slow fighter who only defeated mediocre opponents. The same individuals will of course say that Louis would be brutally dispatched by Foreman inside of one or two rounds. When I first started studying boxing as a youngster, I also believed this to be the case. I saw Foreman being too big and too powerful for Louis to handle. After all, if Louis could be knocked down by fighters like Braddock, Foreman would surely kill him.

                  Today I beg to differ. Studying Louis, I find the perfect specimen of a fighter. A wonderful boxer with awesome power, he could deliver knockout punches who only travelled a few inches. His reflexes was superb, his stamina very good, and his heart was unquestionable. And even though he didn�t move very fast, his footwork was excellent. His chin is vastly underrated. Granted, Foremans power would be more than sufficient to put Louis?lights out, but to do that, he would have to hit Louis with clean shots on a regular basis. I don�t see that happening.

                  I consider the prime Foreman to be too crude and raw against this perfect fighting machine. Louis would block, parry and counter Foremans telegraphed punches, and deliver his own ripping shots. When watching the first round of Foreman vs Ali, it is easy to see how frustrated and bewildered Foreman looks when Ali hits him with several overhand-rights. Well, Louis definitely had the handspeed to do the same, only with deadly force.

                  A well-prepared, careful Louis would survive the first half of the fight and batter the fading Foreman to win by late kayo.

                  Joe Louis by ko10.

                  i agree although i think you over estimate larrys chin, i'm sure he would go down at least once in the fight and the outcome would be decided by whether or not hje could hold on to foreman and revoer in time.

                  i agree about joe louis he used very understated feints and drawing tactics to control his opponents. he went down alot but he almost always got up quickly and clear eyed.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by hemichromis View Post
                    let me guess: tyson could!
                    Like Lyle did maybe?

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by hemichromis View Post
                      so your basically mentioning anyone who could possibly beat foreman?
                      in that case don't forget shavers with his power he COULD beat anyone he just probably wouldn't!


                      of who you mentioned the only one that i would say have over 50% chance of beating him is Ali

                      holmes liston tyson lyle and possibly lewis are all tossups as far as i'm concerned
                      Im judging the extremely overrated, flawed George Foreman as a human being. I dont buy this crap about him being near invincible except against Ali, and that nobody could ever outslug him and all of the crap that makes me sick everytime i read it. Those guys have a shot, imo.

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