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    KELLY PAVLIK: Too big for 160...and not quite good enough for 168.

    Kelly Pavlik said that he killed himself to make 160. While I know that the Pavlik camp is prone to excuse-making, I think the 178 in-ring weight bears that out. Kelz doesn't have that body type to easily strip weight.

    One of the contributors to Kel's failures in the last one-third of the Martinez fight may have been fatigue due to making weight. Of course, i am taking no credit away from Sergio, as Maravilla has long been one of my favourite fighters (unlike some of you bandwagoners).

    At 168, I see Kelly having tons of problems with the guys there. Pavlik's big advantage at 160 was his size and strength. That goes away when he moves to SMW. Additionally, you would be making a slow fighter even slower.

    Ward? Too good an all-around fighter for Kelly. SOG is too fast, too diirty, has the movement that confounds Pavlik, and is just plain wrong.

    Froch: Better fight for Kelly. The Cobra isn't the most mobile cat, but he is tough and confident.

    Dirrell: Pavlik would make a good fight for an earlier version of Dirrell. But the post-Abraham version is too fast, smarter, and has gained a ton of confidence.

    Abraham: would be interesting to see. I haven't decided if Abe's tortoise defense and low workrate would play right into KP's hands. Plus, AA is short.

    Green: If he can stop staring at his feet, too much movement. I need to see his next fight to be sure.

    Kessler: He needs a bounceback. Still, I'd pick him to beat Pav.

    Calzaghe: After seeing Hopkins and Martinez, is there any question that the Slappin' Welshman would have shut Kelly out? Lacy-stylee?

    Bute: Two fights in a row where he has stopped guys by throwing punches from odd angles. A much better fighter than a year ago. I still question Lucian's stamina and chin, but he could confuse Pavlik with movement and boxing ability.

    During post-fight interviews, DiBella said that they would HAPPILY give Kelly a rematch immediately. And Pavlik indicated that they would want to exercise that clause. My guess is that was just hurt-talk and Team Pav goes back and takes a really good look and decides to put Sergio in the rear view.

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by And Still; 04-18-2010, 04:07 PM.

    #2
    I think I'd rather see him against a Vitali Tsypko or Peter Manfredo before I make an opinion.

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      #3
      Originally posted by And Still View Post
      Kelly Pavlik said that he killed himself to make 160. While I know that the Pavlik camp is prone to excuse-making, I think the 178 in-ring weight bears that out. Kelz doesn't have that body type to easily strip weight.

      One of the contributors to Kel's failures in the last one-third of the Martinez fight may have been fatigue due to making weight. Of course, i am taking no credit away from Sergio, as Maravilla has long been one of my favourite fighters (unlike some of you bandwagoners).
      The Cut pretty much lost him the fight..

      He should stay down at middleweight and rematch Martinez... he can't compete at 168 as you said his size and strength are his main attributes and he loses them. + you got a lot of skilled fast fighers who would give him hell in bute, Ward, Dirrel etc.

      I don't believe that fatigue rubbish he was coming on strong 4 rounds in a row plus a KD, Martinez was not hurting him and then the cut came. Did everyone watch this fight drunk or stoned or something? it looked pretty clear the Cut was THE major factor in the fight, Pavlik was 1 up on my Scorecard before it happened.

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        #4
        I agree. I think he beats Kessler, and maybe Froch at 168, but the rest of the top guys make him look ******.

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          #5
          Originally posted by snootz86 View Post
          The Cut pretty much lost him the fight..

          He should stay down at middleweight and rematch Martinez... he can't compete at 168 as you said his size and strength are his main attributes and he loses them. + you got a lot of skilled fast fighers who would give him hell in bute, Ward, Dirrel etc.

          I don't believe that fatigue rubbish he was coming on strong 4 rounds in a row plus a KD, Martinez was not hurting him and then the cut came. Did everyone watch this fight drunk or stoned or something? it looked pretty clear the Cut was THE major factor in the fight, Pavlik was 1 up on my Scorecard before it happened.
          So, you think it has no effect for a guy to rehydrate 20 pounds?

          I saw that he was coming on in the middle rounds. But the cut was not THE factor. To me, his inability to maintain and respond to an aggressive pace in 9-12 was the bigger factor.

          Also, you can respond and contribute without being disrespectful. this is why every thread becomes a flame thread.

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            #6
            Was Pavlik not close or even up before the cut?

            Was he being hurt when Martinez hit him pretty clean in rounds 1 to 4?

            Did he suddenly start getting hurt and pushed back after the cut? yes he did because he found it hard seeing the punches and punches you don't see hurt.

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              #7
              The thread title is 100% spot on.

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                #8
                I mean I kinda agree. I think there are some fighters he can beat that would be more suited to his style. But he is still young. Hasn't been hurt bad in any fights. 36-2. IMO he still has plenty left in the tank. He just needs a new team really bad. If he had any smarts he would get a new trainer, and if Jack Loew had any class and knew anything about boxing he'd understand.
                But I think he should fight Bute. Or atleast fight some decent gatekeeper at 168 and then fight Bute.

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                  #9
                  And the poster is also right that the cut was the major factor. Might have been a totally different ending without the cut.

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                    #10
                    I kept trying to tell people that Kelly Pavlik was a very weak MW champion. He would get beat by martinez, williams...and even mayweather had a good chance of moving from 147 to beat Kelly.

                    Pavlik's title defenses? Lockett, Rubio and Espino.

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