C`mon lets here the flak for this

[sonnyboyx2]

Top all time heavyweights IMO - based on their ring abilities when in their prime.

1/. Muhammad Ali
2/. Joe Louis
3/. Jack Johnson
4/. Joe Frazier
5/. Jack Dempsey
6/. Sonny Liston
7/. Mike Tyson
8/. George Foreman
9/. Larry Holmes
10/. Rocky Marciano
11/. Ezzard Charles
12/. Rid**** Bowe
13/. Michael Spinks
14/. Lennox Lewis
15/. Wlad Klitschko
16/. Vitali Klitschko
17/. Jim Jeffries
18/. Floyd Patterson
19/. Gene Tunney
20/. Jersy Joe Walcott

[StarshipTrooper]

Top all time heavyweights IMO - based on their ring abilities when in their prime.

1/. Muhammad Ali
2/. Joe Louis
3/. Jack Johnson
4/. Joe Frazier
5/. Jack Dempsey
6/. Sonny Liston
7/. Mike Tyson
8/. George Foreman
9/. Larry Holmes
10/. Rocky Marciano
11/. Ezzard Charles
12/. Rid**** Bowe
13/. Michael Spinks
14/. Lennox Lewis
15/. Wlad Klitschko
16/. Vitali Klitschko
17/. Jim Jeffries
18/. Floyd Patterson
19/. Gene Tunney
20/. Jersy Joe Walcott

Frazier probably too high, Foreman too low, Holmes WAY too low, and where's Evander Holyfield? And why is a career Light-Heavyweight in Michael Spinks on the list?

Poet

[sonnyboyx2]

Frazier probably too high, Foreman too low, Holmes WAY too low, and where's Evander Holyfield? And why is a career Light-Heavyweight in Michael Spinks on the list?

Poet

my mistake... forgot about Holyfield i took him out of No12 and put Bowe in and forgot to add him at No13

14/. Michael Spinks
15/. Lennox Lewis
16/. Wlad Klitschko
17/. Vitali Klitschko
18/. Jim Jeffries
19/. Floyd Patterson
20/. Gene Tunney

Michael Spinks is in because he was one of the greatest ring tachticians of all times, beating a good Larry Holmes twice and destroying 6ft 7ins Gerry Cooney before losing to the best version of Mike Tyson any fighter ever faced.

Joe Frazier won Fight of the Century`and was a brilliant pressure fighter who`s 3 fights with Ali, 2 with Bonavena & 2 with Quarry entitle him to the position i placed him

Foreman & Holmes are in their correct positions, i could not see them beating any of the above fighters prime 4 prime.. yes Foreman beat Frazier twice but Frazier was blind in one eye by then and totally out of shape for their 1st fight plus Foreman never fought Quarry or Bonavena like Frazier, he also lost easily to Ali whereas Frazier vs Ali was a different story.

[Sugarj]

Everyone has their own order and there is some good names in there, although my list would be a bit jumbled around.

I'd venture that Ken Norton would beat a few guys there, maybe Michael Moorer too or a prime Tim Witherspoon. Although granted they are lesser champions in the 'legend' sense. I may well pick a prime David Tua over several too, certainly the more chinny guys.

[cooper5]

This is what Id say today

1 Joe Louis
2 Muhammad Ali
3 Larry Holmes
4 Jack Johnson
5 Rocky Marciano
6 George Foreman
7 Joe Frazier
8 Jack Dempsey
9 Mike Tyson
10 Ezzard Charles
11 Evander Holyfield
12 Lennox Lewis

But tomorrow it might be different

[StarshipTrooper]

my mistake... forgot about Holyfield i took him out of No12 and put Bowe in and forgot to add him at No13

14/. Michael Spinks
15/. Lennox Lewis
16/. Wlad Klitschko
17/. Vitali Klitschko
18/. Jim Jeffries
19/. Floyd Patterson
20/. Gene Tunney

Michael Spinks is in because he was one of the greatest ring tachticians of all times, beating a good Larry Holmes twice and destroying 6ft 7ins Gerry Cooney before losing to the best version of Mike Tyson any fighter ever faced.

Joe Frazier won Fight of the Century`and was a brilliant pressure fighter who`s 3 fights with Ali, 2 with Bonavena & 2 with Quarry entitle him to the position i placed him

Foreman & Holmes are in their correct positions, i could not see them beating any of the above fighters prime 4 prime.. yes Foreman beat Frazier twice but Frazier was blind in one eye by then and totally out of shape for their 1st fight plus Foreman never fought Quarry or Bonavena like Frazier, he also lost easily to Ali whereas Frazier vs Ali was a different story.

Spinks only had 5 fights at Heavyweight after a career spent at Light-Heavy.

Poet

[Earl-Hickey]

No offence, but on his best day, I would say Lennox Lewis was a top 10 heavyweight. I know he lost twice, but he punished those who beat him in rematches.

Sorry, but Liston and Marciano are not more able heavyweights than Lewis IMHO.

[sonnyboyx2]

No offence, but on his best day, I would say Lennox Lewis was a top 10 heavyweight. I know he lost twice, but he punished those who beat him in rematches.

Sorry, but Liston and Marciano are not more able heavyweights than Lewis IMHO.

you are entitled to your opinion, yet IMO Lewis would be a 2rd KO for Sonny Liston maybe even going in the opening round, Marciano would apply to much pressure for him and also KO Lewis.. Lewis struggled with smaller guys like Tua, Mercer, Billups and took 8rds to beat a heavily sedated Tyson.. he would have no chance against `The Rock

[sonnyboyx2]

Spinks only had 5 fights at Heavyweight after a career spent at Light-Heavy.

Poet

Those 5 fights was championship fights, where he twice beat a good Larry Holmes and took-apart 6ft 7ins Gerry Cooney who had a left-hook as destructive as any punch in history, IMO Spinks would be a 50/50 fight for any heavyweight champion in history and he was tall enough at 6ft 3 1/2

[JAB5239]

you are entitled to your opinion, yet IMO Lewis would be a 2rd KO for Sonny Liston maybe even going in the opening round, Marciano would apply to much pressure for him and also KO Lewis.. Lewis struggled with smaller guys like Tua, Mercer, Billups and took 8rds to beat a heavily sedated Tyson.. he would have no chance against `The Rock

While Lewis did struggle with Mercer, he had no problems at all with Tua or Tyson. I'd like some proof that Mike was heavily sedated, as you put it, other than getting his ass kicked after he realized his initial onslaught was ineffective.

Other Smaller fighters (shorter) who Lewis beat pretty easily were Holyfield in the second fight, Morrison and Botha. I don't recall any fight with Billups, but may be wrong.