People are mis-infomed about Bruce Lee's ground game......

[Mr. Violence]

Name one non practical hold.

ok here is one...someone comes behind you and grabs the back of your gi collar...you shift behind him and grab his head, knee to the chest and chop the back of his head...this is an actual traditional jiu jitsu move...in real life who the **** is gonna come up behind you and grab your collar.



and a lot of the gi chokes are not street practical either

[Mr. Beelzebub]

ok here is one...someone comes behind you and grabs the back of your gi collar...you shift behind him and grab his head, knee to the chest and chop the back of his head...this is an actual traditional jiu jitsu move...in real life who the **** is gonna come up behind you and grab your collar.



and a lot of the gi chokes are not street practical either

Chop and knee in BJJ? Right.

BJJ is a sport, young man. So is MMA... Jeet kune do is a martial art that has many techniques that in theory might work. Jeet Kune Do grappling techniques are obsolete, so obsolete that they have been dropped from most schools that still teach JKD.

For example: here in NJ. Armando Basulto teaches JKD and Savate for stand up and BJJ for ground work.

JKD is a martial art for martial artists... As a sport (MMA) does not work.

[Mr. Violence]

Chop and knee in BJJ? Right.

BJJ is a sport, young man. So is MMA... Jeet kune do is a martial art that has many techniques that in theory might work. Jeet Kune Do grappling techniques are obsolete, so obsolete that they have been dropped from most schools that still teach JKD.

For example: here in NJ. Armando Basulto teaches JKD and Savate for stand up and BJJ for ground work.

JKD is a martial art for martial artists... As a sport (MMA) does not work.

In traditional Jiu Jitsu there are chops and knees.

[Mr. Beelzebub]

In traditional Jiu Jitsu there are chops and knees.

Sir, this is not a traditional Martial arts forum. It's MMA, the sport... Most MMA fans and practicioners know waht works... BJJ is JJ perfected and made a sport.

You won't find many people in here who practice traditional MAs.

PS: Bruce Lee or any JKD purist wouldn't last 5 minutes against a BJJ blue belt or a sub wrestler with a year of experience.

[Mr. Violence]

Sir, this is not a traditional Martial arts forum. It's MMA, the sport... Most MMA fans and practicioners know waht works... BJJ is JJ perfect and made a sport.

You won't find many people in here who practice traditional MAs.

PS: Bruce Lee or any JKD purist wouldn't last 5 minutes against a BJJ blue belt or a sub wrestler with a year of experience.

I was talking about Traditional Jiu Jitsu.

P.S. It depends on the person...and it depends on the environment. the street and the ring are two different stories. I roll with some people with sport Jiu Jitsu and some are better than me on the ground as far as locks go. But when we practice with strikes on the ground I whip their ass everytime.So yes Bruce Lee may lose to a BJJ stylists in the ring...but that does not mean he would lose on the street.

[LHWchamp5]

ok here is one...someone comes behind you and grabs the back of your gi collar...you shift behind him and grab his head, knee to the chest and chop the back of his head...this is an actual traditional jiu jitsu move...in real life who the **** is gonna come up behind you and grab your collar.



and a lot of the gi chokes are not street practical either

How many people do you know that walk down the street wearign a gi waiting for someone to choke them???
Bruce lee didnt' have any ground skills that we see today, maybe a sweep or 2 and the armbar but thats about it..
Watched a documentary on him and in one film, the one with wilt the stilt, Bruce lee had 3friends with him and they had to fight various opponents individually, one opponent was a joint lock and ground game specialist, anyway, bruce lee didnt' end up fighting the guy in the movie for the fact that during rehearsels, the joint lock guy was trying to teach bruce as they were filming adn it wasn't really working, so bruce allowed one of the other guys to fight him, but of course, bruce finished him off..

So if bruce did have knowledge of these things, he didn't show it during filming of that movie..

Thus comming to my conclusion that bruce had a very limited groundgame at best..

[Mr. Violence]

How many people do you know that walk down the street wearign a gi waiting for someone to choke them???
Bruce lee didnt' have any ground skills that we see today, maybe a sweep or 2 and the armbar but thats about it..
Watched a documentary on him and in one film, the one with wilt the stilt, Bruce lee had 3friends with him and they had to fight various opponents individually, one opponent was a joint lock and ground game specialist, anyway, bruce lee didnt' end up fighting the guy in the movie for the fact that during rehearsels, the joint lock guy was trying to teach bruce as they were filming adn it wasn't really working, so bruce allowed one of the other guys to fight him, but of course, bruce finished him off..

So if bruce did have knowledge of these things, he didn't show it during filming of that movie..

Thus comming to my conclusion that bruce had a very limited groundgame at best..

I will just give you a quote which was in fact stated by Bruce Lee and you be the judge: Bruce Lee said:



"Any person who trains in boxing and wrestling for one year can defeat any traditional martial artist."

[LHWchamp5]

WTF does that have to do with his groundgame??

That comment has to be more specific, boxer vs muaythai with muaythai rules, boxer leaves in a speeding ambulance..

Look how successful some of the boxers are that fight in K1(that's kickboxing, sometimes mma)
Francois both aint doing too well, and butter bean got subbed in an MMA match..

[GeNeRaL]

PS: Bruce Lee or any JKD purist wouldn't last 5 minutes against a BJJ blue belt or a sub wrestler with a year of experience.

I'd have to disagree. Larry Heartsell developed the Grappling range for Bruce Lee. He was the star grappler of the bunch that continued to train with Bruce at his home once he shut down the schools and only took in a select few. I guarantee if you ever had a seminar with Larry, you;d change your opinion.

I'm not knockin BJJ either, i'm just saying that to say a Blue Belt would dominate any JKD purist is kind of far fetched.

[leow]

JKD was made like 30yrs ago or so its like mma but it never evolved since bruce lee died its like sambo or any "complete" fighting style JKD uses alot of boxing/muaythai/wrestling/judo/jiu jitsu/self defense technique
it's pretty complete but never evolved fully it was the first martial art where they sparred for real with gloves and head gear etc... its not "dance" type of martial art