Brock Lesnar Exposed The UFC.

[Kakutogi-Gumi]

UFC is exposed as a fake ass sport. No talent needed, Brock owned the whole UFC lmfao..

[kaps]

"weight is usually 85kg. I had a little trouble hitting the weight now, but as a very power and drills I can lose 15kg to fight. And on the day of the fight I'm 13kg and above category that's fantastic."

If Tibau is carrying 30lbs of water weight on him he needs to go see a Dr.

They didn't drop in weight classes because most been fighting at that weight for a long time.These mmgay fighters who will try to make a weight class that is two divisions below their natural weight.The likes of Thiago Alves,Anthony Johnson,Forrest Griffin,Sean Sherk,Gleison Tibau,Jon Fitch,Alan Belcher,Paul Daley and many others don't belong in their current weight classes.

Why not? the only one of those people who have any kind of size advantage in there divisions is Alves. Griffin, Johnson, Sherk, Fitch, Belcher, and Daley all fight people that are roughly there size on fight night. So I'm failing to see the problem....

Either a glass jawed grappler or some crappy striker who found it easier to roll around on the floor than throw a correct punch.


Some "glass jawed *******" will cut down and rehydrate up to even more than the average glass jawed grappler

Yeah, just because a world class Muay Thai or Kickboxer doesn't do regular boxing there striking is garbage. Wasn't that former heavy weight champion Ray Mercer I seen giving up and crying after one kick to the head from Remy Bonjaski? Again you're stuck on a weight cutting issue that doesn't really effect any weight class but Heavyweight because that's the only weight class with a gap big enough to make a difference in a fight.

A common cliche used by a common mmgay fan to apologise for his sports lack of skill.


Swinging and flailing your arms at some other guy isn't adapting your own boxing,it's having very limited training in boxing and not being coached by real professionals.

Lack of skill where? Fanboys cannot get it thru there heads that a sport that involves takedowns cannot be fought by pure strikers. Anyone who actually believes that traditional boxing would work is a complete moron and I am shocked that they can operate a computer. Yeah, no fighter trains with pro boxers. Howard Grant was an olympian, he's GSPs boxing coach, The Nog brothers train with the Cuban Olympic boxing team, and the list goes on.

Nikolai Valuev has only ever been beaten by other professionals who operate or having operated at a world class level.Nikolai Valuev worked his way up and didn't rely on some professional wrestling company to build his name for him.

So if we put Valuev's skill in someone say RJJ's size, he'd of still won world titles? Forget about the WWE for a minute, and focus on real wrestling, where Brock was a division 1 wrestler with only 3 loses his whole college career, but I assume college and olympic wrestling are fake too....

You will find that it was the side of mmgay who started these debates and arguments.Your whole precious sport has built it's history over slagging off boxing,even when it's not relevant.

It's the highschool mentality of those within the mmgay community to lash out at those who bite back

I've never met a mma fan who has anything bad to say about boxing unless they're speaking of Duckweather. It's boxing fans who lashed out, because people where enjoying another combat sport that wasn't boxing. Dana White and his lackeys are really the only people I know that have been negative towards boxing, but all promoters do **** to try and draw attention to their companies and fights...

[villa04]

a non MMAer comes into the UFC and spanks it's top fighters like he's their daddy with bare minimum training for that particular sport.

Could anyone ever do that in Boxing!?




This should lead us to conclude one of two things.

Either a) the UFC is crap or b) The UFC is really not much more than wrestling which ofcourse already existed before the UFC.


What do you vote?

get your uninformed ass on somewhere before YOU get exposed by true boxing and mma fans

[donkim]

Yeah, just because a world class Muay Thai or Kickboxer doesn't do regular boxing there striking is garbage. Wasn't that former heavy weight champion Ray Mercer I seen giving up and crying after one kick to the head from Remy Bonjaski? Again you're stuck on a weight cutting issue that doesn't really effect any weight class but Heavyweight because that's the only weight class with a gap big enough to make a difference in a fight.

This is how desperate mmgay fans really are.You use a fat,Hepatitis B suffering 44 year old boxer who came to throw a fight.


Care to point out where this "world class" striking is?

Lack of skill where? Fanboys cannot get it thru there heads that a sport that involves takedowns cannot be fought by pure strikers. Anyone who actually believes that traditional boxing would work is a complete moron and I am shocked that they can operate a computer. Yeah, no fighter trains with pro boxers. Howard Grant was an olympian, he's GSPs boxing coach, The Nog brothers train with the Cuban Olympic boxing team, and the list goes on.

Throwing winging punches isn't skill,it's a clear lack of it.Most mmgay fighters elect to strike rather than roll around on the floor....No combinations,very little footwork and no head movement.


Georges St Pierre spends most his time grappling with other men.The Nogueira brothers don't train with the cuban olympic boxing team,******.Stop parroting old lines used by Mauro Ranello in Pride.That was years ago

So if we put Valuev's skill in someone say RJJ's size, he'd of still won world titles? Forget about the WWE for a minute, and focus on real wrestling, where Brock was a division 1 wrestler with only 3 loses his whole college career, but I assume college and olympic wrestling are fake too....

He wouldn't be anywhere near as slow if he were that size.His size has been just as detrimental to his career as it has been a success.

I've never met a mma fan who has anything bad to say about boxing

You're a liar.

[kaps]

This is how desperate mmgay fans really are.You use a fat,Hepatitis B suffering 44 year old boxer who came to throw a fight.


Care to point out where this "world class" striking is?

It's hard to explain to closed minded boxing fans who think that punching is some kind of ultimate striking art. These dutch kickboxers who've been kickboxing all there lives have no idea how to strike huh? Or do they not know how to strike and use head movement in Boxing? A completely different sport with completely different angles and weapons. Just because it's not world class boxing does not mean it's not world class striking...

Throwing winging punches isn't skill,it's a clear lack of it.Most mmgay fighters elect to strike rather than roll around on the floor....No combinations,very little footwork and no head movement.


Georges St Pierre spends most his time grappling with other men.The Nogueira brothers don't train with the cuban olympic boxing team,******.Stop parroting old lines used by Mauro Ranello in Pride.That was years ago

A combo contains a kick, not a combo? It's not boxing ******. Boxing would not work. How are you not getting this? Name calling? Now who is acting like a highschool girl? Every biography on Nogueria has him training with the Cuban national team along with him saying it himself. So stop being a moron and do some investigation before you say ****** **** in a post...

He wouldn't be anywhere near as slow if he were that size.His size has been just as detrimental to his career as it has been a success.

So skill wise he's spot on right?

You're a liar.

No I'm not, every mma fan I know personally watches boxing, and we talk about boxing when a good fight is coming up. Dana White and his shills have attacked boxing before, but it's to be expected. You're angry at MMA for some reason, and apparently have some problem with anything grappling. Your answers keep getting shorter because you know your wrong and you're trying too save face. Piss off my friend, because you're losing this argument and making yourself look more and more dumb with every post...

[donkim]

It's hard to explain to closed minded boxing fans who think that punching is some kind of ultimate striking art. These dutch kickboxers who've been kickboxing all there lives have no idea how to strike huh? Or do they not know how to strike and use head movement in Boxing? A completely different sport with completely different angles and weapons. Just because it's not world class boxing does not mean it's not world class striking..

These dutch kickboxers who can kick and not punch correctly..it's not hard to understand.How on earth you managed to drag K-1 into the mix is lost to me also.



And you still haven't answered my question....where is this world class striking or strikers in mmgay?

A combo contains a kick, not a combo? It's not boxing ******. Boxing would not work. How are you not getting this? Name calling? Now who is acting like a highschool girl? Every biography on Nogueria has him training with the Cuban national team along with him saying it himself. So stop being a moron and do some investigation before you say ****** **** in a post..

We're talking about mmgay here,son.boxing doesn't work? Good lord,please go read book.


Stop reading wikipedia.He,nor his brother train with the cuban national team.As for name calling,I have done nothing of the sort,while you have called me a ****** and a moron so far.

So skill wise he's spot on right?

Read before you post.

No I'm not, every mma fan I know personally watches boxing, and we talk about boxing when a good fight is coming up. Dana White and his shills have attacked boxing before, but it's to be expected. You're angry at MMA for some reason, and apparently have some problem with anything grappling. Your answers keep getting shorter because you know your wrong and you're trying too save face. Piss off my friend, because you're losing this argument and making yourself look more and more dumb with every post...

Yes you are.Every mmgay fan that you personally know will watch a mainstream boxing match and then talk ****e about this great sport with the rest of the closet case's over on sherdog.There are no legitimate current stars in mmgay and that makes your kind mad.

Declaring yourself the winner in an E argument doesn't make you any less of a fanboy.

[Spartacus Sully]

No I'm not, every mma fan I know personally watches boxing, and we talk about boxing when a good fight is coming up. Dana White and his shills have attacked boxing before, but it's to be expected. You're angry at MMA for some reason, and apparently have some problem with anything grappling. Your answers keep getting shorter because you know your wrong and you're trying too save face. Piss off my friend, because you're losing this argument and making yourself look more and more dumb with every post...

i dont know about straight up insults but in arguments of one vs the other ive herd mma fans say that mma people train harder then boxers, that boxers couldnt take a single hit from a mma person in 4 oz gloves, that boxing has no real world application, that boxing is boring, that it dostn matter if you can ko some one when your laying on your back, that unless you trained to avoid take downs regardless of what training you have done theres no way to avoid take down, that mma's taking over boxing, mma requires more skill....ect. mma fans may not call boxers idiots but they will take every chance they can to discredit boxing when compared to mma.

[Macho Madness]

i understand donkim's point, i dont believe he is saying that all mma strikers are bad its just there punching technique is TERRIBLE!
i honestly believe that if a half talented pro boxer learnt some wrestling defence and how to check legs kicks (just basics) they would b in the top 5 p4p rankings, theyd have to change thier stance a little but aslong as they kept the basics like proper head movement and straight calculated punches they would win almost every fight by knockout

[snakey112]

if donkim hates MMA so much then why does he watch every event and spend so much time in this section?

sounds like a butthurt fanboy who can't come to terms with the fact that there are other popular combat sports out there

[kaps]

These dutch kickboxers who can kick and not punch correctly..it's not hard to understand.How on earth you managed to drag K-1 into the mix is lost to me also.



And you still haven't answered my question....where is this world class striking or strikers in mmgay?

They cannot punch correctly for boxing. It's a different sport. I dragged K-1 one in as an example. Just because their punching wouldn't work for boxing, doesn't make it not the correct for FOR THEIR SPORT. How is this not getting thru? Anderson Silva has world class Muay Thai, Paul Daley has great muay thai too. I wish I could say this louder and slower so it would sink in. IN MMA REGULAR BOXING DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE YOU WILL BE TAKEN DOWN OR KICKED. BOXING DOES NOT TEACH YOU HOW TO AVOID EITHER OF THESE SITUATIONS NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU TRAIN.

We're talking about mmgay here,son.boxing doesn't work? Good lord,please go read book.


Stop reading wikipedia.He,nor his brother train with the cuban national team.As for name calling,I have done nothing of the sort,while you have called me a ****** and a moron so far.

Which book will tell about how punching stops kicks, takedowns, and other non boxing strikes and I'll go to Barnes&Nobel and buy the mother****er right now. He used to have pictures on his old website that I wish I could find, but his new one is all flash and I haven't been brushing up on my Portuguese.

Read before you post.

I did. So if you put him in Klitchkos body with his skill set he still becomes champion?

Yes you are.Every mmgay fan that you personally know will watch a mainstream boxing match and then talk ****e about this great sport with the rest of the closet case's over on sherdog.There are no legitimate current stars in mmgay and that makes your kind mad.

Declaring yourself the winner in an E argument doesn't make you any less of a fanboy.

How are you going to tell me what I am based on a web forum that I havn't visited since 2002. Find one instance where I went into NSB and started talking **** on Boxing for fun or any other reason. Doesn't happen. You boxing fanboys are the problem. Nobody here is attacking boxing, so why do you boxing fans feel the need to enter a forum marked "Mixed Martial Arts Discussion" and talk ****? Trolling? Legitimate current mma stars. GSP, BJ, Penn, Anderson Silva, Urijah Faber, Ect. Ect......