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    Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
    they said when a piece of his orbital bone broke off that some of his muscle got lodge inside the fracture.

    that can't feel good.....
    jesus christ

    and he was a trooper about it at the end

    if he had just a little more speed his career could have been so different

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      for manny saying he was hurt in that fight, he looked a lot worse after the cotto fight IMO

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        Pac is top 5 ATG in my book.... officially


        i reference Cuat's thread after the Tony fight....

        there may have been better but not in my time and not against modern medicine and sports training

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          Originally posted by -veteran420- View Post
          Pac is top 5 ATG in my book.... officially


          i reference Cuat's thread after the Tony fight....

          there may have been better but not in my time and not against modern medicine and sports training
          I don't rate him top 5.

          But I get what you mean in the last paragraph. Boxing is a bit different now in terms of rules and conditions to how it once was, plus it's harder for us to compare Pac's resume to some guy from the 50s because we know all of Pac's opponents and the opponents of their opponents and so on. Maybe the boxing historians are different, but 99% of us know more about people like Oscar Larios and David Diaz than we do about some of Benny Leonard's best wins.

          I think Pac should be rated above Floyd, Roy, JCC, Hopkins, Lennox, Holyfield, Tyson...everyone since the Duran/Leonard/Hearns/Hagler era I guess, apart from Froch obviously.

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            wtf?!??!!?!?!?

            that was quick. what the hell am i gonna do for the rest of the night.


            ummm...yeah.....pac SHOULD NOT fight sergio.

            clegg , pay me my 100 million.

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              Originally posted by Clegg View Post
              I don't rate him top 5.

              But I get what you mean in the last paragraph. Boxing is a bit different now in terms of rules and conditions to how it once was, plus it's harder for us to compare Pac's resume to some guy from the 50s because we know all of Pac's opponents and the opponents of their opponents and so on. Maybe the boxing historians are different, but 99% of us know more about people like Oscar Larios and David Diaz than we do about some of Benny Leonard's best wins.

              I think Pac should be rated above Floyd, Roy, JCC, Hopkins, Lennox, Holyfield, Tyson...everyone since the Duran/Leonard/Hearns/Hagler era I guess, apart from Froch obviously.
              he is the greatest of his era IMO

              floyd may have a better skillset but thats too damn bad he doesnt apply himself like he should

              its like looking at linebackers other NFL players from the 50s and trying to compare them to today's players..... its a whole new league

              these people are groomed to perform from the time they're 5... they dont hold jobs or do things on the side, they train and train and train

              being an athlete was more of a hobby back then

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                Originally posted by Left Hook Tua View Post
                wtf?!??!!?!?!?

                that was quick. what the hell am i gonna do for the rest of the night.


                ummm...yeah.....pac SHOULD NOT fight sergio.

                clegg , pay me my 100 million.
                I'm watching the stream, gaylord

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                  Originally posted by Clegg View Post
                  I'm watching the stream, gaylord
                  you're on a delay then.

                  i have hbo. it's on live.

                  serg ko2.

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                    WOW

                    KO of the year

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                      RIP PWill and my points

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