Thoughts on this song/sound?

[SlySlickSmooth]

I grew up on hip-hop and love it 80s,90s, 00s , 10s whatever if it ****s it ****s

Nwa , Ice t , Geto boys , tribe were my first tapes, Wu , brand Nubian , Roits , Outkast , E40, Mos Def as a teen and everything in between. Listen to the newer MCs with talent Kendrick , KRIT , Smoke Dza , Troy Ave , young roddy

Just because he can put 2 words together that rhyme doesn't mean he can rhyme. Can you recite a decent line from Post Malone probably not because he's garbage

Really it's about the vibe or atmosphere, to me that means he has a nice beat but lyrically brings nothing to the table. How is the youth engaging in a more lively enviroment ? You lost me with that because to me just because you live your life through Facebook , Instagram and have a look how cool I am selfie culture and it's better to be seen as cool then to actually have talent or have something to say doesn't doesn't make it more lively. Sheltered and soft with low testosterone yes ,lively probably not.

You or anyone else giving him a pass basically is co-signing talentless garbage and accepting mediocrity from the artist and accepting dog sh.it as art . The guys whole aura , swag is Wack doo doo. The guy comes across as a watered down version of PM Dawn

When Soija Boy looks like Rakim compared to Post Maline you know the guy sucks balls

Now I'm going to grab my cane and attempt to kick these kids off my lawn

I don't have any social media but this generation is a much different vibe than hip-hop of the old. And be real I'm from the Soulja Boy hype era, he's x10 worse than Post Malone and has less talent than Post Malone. I mean in a place outside of Hip-Hop, look at Cam Newton.. these old people just don't get it because he's young and acts hip-hop.

Just to set it straight this isn't even my **** I have in rotation. There's no damn way I'd big up Post Malone to be as smooth on the mic as Lord Finesse. He just makes music and that's what fickle old hip-hop heads forget, it's music and if people **** with it, people **** with it.

Post Malone is just subject matter in relation to the new wave of young artists. But there's no way I think he's even in a realm close to young lyricists like Joey Bada$$ and Kendrick Lamar.

[kiaba360]

I don't have any social media but this generation is a much different vibe than hip-hop of the old. And be real I'm from the Soulja Boy hype era, he's x10 worse than Post Malone and has less talent than Post Malone. I mean in a place outside of Hip-Hop, look at Cam Newton.. these old people just don't get it because he's young and acts hip-hop.

Just to set it straight this isn't even my **** I have in rotation. There's no damn way I'd big up Post Malone to be as smooth on the mic as Lord Finesse. He just makes music and that's what fickle old hip-hop heads forget, it's music and if people **** with it, people **** with it.

Post Malone is just subject matter in relation to the new wave of young artists. But there's no way I think he's even in a realm close to young lyricists like Joey Bada$$ and Kendrick Lamar.

These tracks fit the theme of this thread:





As you said, they are just making music: music that is easily digestible and instantly gratifying to the senses. It can be argued that all music should strive to be accessible on some level. Think about the elements of a song that most likely stay with you after one listen: the hook and the production, not the lyrical content. It's only until you've heard a song multiple times that you really begin to appreciate the MC and their voice/flow. What stood out to me immediately from these tracks were those soulful melodic hooks: one sung by Raphael Saadiq and the other by Valerie Simpson. What we're seeing now is rappers/producers trying to capture that vibe for an entire song, mixed in with the tenets of Screwed and Trap music. This drugged-out R&B sound is the "evolution" of Hip-Hop. All of these song have a message, but they're hedonistic in nature. Once you understand the music, it's harder to completely hate it. You just accept it for what it is: another flavor of Pop music.

[R_Walken]

I don't have any social media but this generation is a much different vibe than hip-hop of the old. And be real I'm from the Soulja Boy hype era, he's x10 worse than Post Malone and has less talent than Post Malone. I mean in a place outside of Hip-Hop, look at Cam Newton.. these old people just don't get it because he's young and acts hip-hop.

Just to set it straight this isn't even my **** I have in rotation. There's no damn way I'd big up Post Malone to be as smooth on the mic as Lord Finesse. He just makes music and that's what fickle old hip-hop heads forget, it's music and if people **** with it, people **** with it.

Post Malone is just subject matter in relation to the new wave of young artists. But there's no way I think he's even in a realm close to young lyricists like Joey Bada$$ and Kendrick Lamar.

I get what your saying and didn't mean you specifically is part of the social media generation but the fact is Post Malone is garbage and brings nothing to the genre except being Wack

I agree with the music statement and if people f.uck with it but at the same time it's proven that watered down garbage hip hop is what's most assessable to the masses but it almost never stands the test of time because it's fast food and fans of disposable music just jump to the next fad it may sell well at the time but real fans realize it's a joke and has no substance and gets played out in 3-6 months there's a reason why people don't listen to PM Dawn, Vanilla Ice , Kris's Kross, MC Hammer, Marky Mark, Chingy, Tag Team , Kid n. Play today even though they all sold massive amounts of records and people still bump Nas, Roots, Wu-Tang , Rakim , Dela Soul , Tribe , because even though it didnt sell as well it was authentic and it's music that has soul and stands the test of time.

These tracks fit the theme of this thread:





As you said, they are just making music: music that is easily digestible and instantly gratifying to the senses. It can be argued that all music should strive to be accessible on some level. Think about the elements of a song that most likely stay with you after one listen: the hook and the production, not the lyrical content. It's only until you've heard a song multiple times that you really begin to appreciate the MC and their voice/flow. What stood out to me immediately from these tracks were those soulful melodic hooks: one sung by Raphael Saadiq and the other by Valerie Simpson. What we're seeing now is rappers/producers trying to capture that vibe for an entire song, mixed in with the tenets of Screwed music. This drugged-out R&B sound is the "evolution" of Hip-Hop. All of these song have a message, but they're hedonistic in nature. Once you understand the music, it's harder to hate it. You just accept it for what it is, another flavor of Pop music.

Maybe I misinterpreted your post but your really comparing the Roits to Pist Malone? The roots are dope as f.uck , were original and Black Thought could go bar for bar with any MC. ?uestlive though a geek loved music all genres and they were always the underdogs. There's a reason why 15-20 past prime your listening to the Roots discography because music lovers always respected the roots and appreciated what they brought to the table I gaurentee you in 15-20 years you won't be thinking about Post Malone and his 2 hits. What's Post Maline talking about what's his message ? Because to me it's just comes across as pure untalented ***.gotry

I agree that the chorus & beat is usually what's draws the listener in but there needs to be substance and soul something that Post Malone and a whole bunch of these other carbon copy f.uck boys don't have. As far as the R&b sounds Wack hip hop been trying to water down and make pop-hop since the start it's just most of the time it got rejected because it's trash now the younger generation seems more content with this. Hip hop used to be music geared towards males but when today's males want to act like Young Thug is it any wonder they want softer more vag.ina music to listen too.

Hip hop isn't pop and it should never try to be. If it crosses over and people can relate to it and it's real great . it may be to you but that's not what it is

I feel old as f.uck writing this but am probably only 6-10 years older then you guys

[kiaba360]

I get what your saying and didn't mean you specifically is part of the social media generation but the fact is Post Malone is garbage and brings nothing to the genre except being Wack

I agree with the music statement and if people f.uck with it but at the same time it's proven that watered down garbage hip hop is what's most assessable to the masses but it almost never stands the test of time because it's fast food and fans of disposable music just jump to the next fad it may sell well at the time but real fans realize it's a joke and has no substance and gets played out in 3-6 months there's a reason why people don't listen to PM Dawn, Vanilla Ice , Kris's Kross, MC Hammer, Marky Mark, Chingy, Tag Team , Kid n. Play today even though they all sold massive amounts of records and people still bump Nas, Roots, Wu-Tang , Rakim , Dela Soul , Tribe , because even though it didnt sell as well it was authentic and it's music that has soul and stands the test of time.

Maybe I misinterpreted your post but your really comparing the Roits to Pist Malone? The roots are dope as f.uck , were original and Black Thought could go bar for bar with any MC. ?uestlive though a geek loved music all genres and they were always the underdogs. There's a reason why 15-20 past prime your listening to the Roots discography because music lovers always respected the roots and appreciated what they brought to the table I gaurentee you in 15-20 years you won't be thinking about Post Malone and his 2 hits. What's Post Maline talking about what's his message ? Because to me it's just comes across as pure untalented ***.gotry

I agree that the chorus & beat is usually what's draws the listener in but there needs to be substance and soul something that Post Malone and a whole bunch of these other carbon copy f.uck boys don't have. As far as the R&b sounds Wack hip hop been trying to water down and make pop-hop since the start it's just most of the time it got rejected because it's trash now the younger generation seems more content with this. Hip hop used to be music geared towards males but when today's males want to act like Young Thug is it any wonder they want softer more vag.ina music to listen too.

Hip hop isn't pop and it should never try to be. If it crosses over and people can relate to it and it's real great . it may be to you but that's not what it is

I feel old as f.uck writing this but am probably only 6-10 years older then you guys

Conceptually, "Clones" and "What They Do" stood against the Pop trends of the 90's, but many of those trends have carried over in this current era of music; I posted the songs because The Roots are considered to be as Hip-Hop music in it's purest form, they are the anti-thesis to guys like Young Thug or the A$AP Mob. Read my previous comments and you'll see that we are in agreement on the overall quality of this current era: the music sacrifices knowledge/technical ability for atmosphere/melody. That's why I said "evolution" because in reality, the music has devolved and only the production showcases any sort of complexity. I doubt Post Malone/Young Thug or most of these current artists consider themselves MC's. That doesn't mean that I don't like "Too Young" or "Antidote" or Trap music on some level, but I understand that the music is shallow. Theoretically, it's supposed to be shallow.

Kid N Play though...did you really have to get at them? I consider acts like Kid N' Play and Vanilla Ice to be gateways into Hip-Hop. Everyone has to start somewhere, and I'm sure that someone's first rap song was "Ice Ice Baby" or "Rollin with Kid N' Play". Hip-Hop's appeal comes from its variety.

[Redd Foxx]

I grew up on hip-hop and love it 80s,90s, 00s , 10s whatever if it ****s it ****s

Nwa , Ice t , Geto boys , tribe were my first tapes, Wu , brand Nubian , Roits , Outkast , E40, Mos Def as a teen and everything in between. Listen to the newer MCs with talent Kendrick , KRIT , Smoke Dza , Troy Ave , young roddy

Just because he can put 2 words together that rhyme doesn't mean he can rhyme. Can you recite a decent line from Post Malone probably not because he's garbage

Really it's about the vibe or atmosphere, to me that means he has a nice beat but lyrically brings nothing to the table. How is the youth engaging in a more lively enviroment ? You lost me with that because to me just because you live your life through Facebook , Instagram and have a look how cool I am selfie culture and it's better to be seen as cool then to actually have talent or have something to say doesn't doesn't make it more lively. Sheltered and soft with low testosterone yes ,lively probably not.

You or anyone else giving him a pass basically is co-signing talentless garbage and accepting mediocrity from the artist and accepting dog sh.it as art . The guys whole aura , swag is Wack doo doo. The guy comes across as a watered down version of PM Dawn

When Soija Boy looks like Rakim compared to Post Maline you know the guy sucks balls

Now I'm going to grab my cane and attempt to kick these kids off my lawn

I have to agree, strongly. Post is garbage. I am a recording engineer and have worked with a lot of younger guys who have have blinders on and only listen to current releases, not knowing that the genre is weak right now. They accept this because it's what's marketed to them. It's changing though and for the first time ever, older music is out-selling new releases.
Hip-hop/rap is suffering the same fate that rock did in the late 90's when the money came too easy and the market became saturated with mediocrity. So much so that some of the stronger talent gets lost.

Some of the early stuff you mentioned is a prime example of strength in music, evidenced by the fact that it established the genre. And, the only reason it was able to grab new ears was because it was so solid it couldn't be ignored. Can you imagine a guy like Post drawing in people to a new genre of music? Not a chance. Meanwhile, WuTang, Cypress Hill, Redman, Mob Deep, etc is still listenable enough to put on soundtracks (without being tongue-in-cheek). Garbage like Post sells because people a large number of people are consuming a genre more than they are actual talent and when that happens, people grow tired and the market shifts to something fresh. Happens often in various facets of pop culture.