Why has willem dafoe not played the joker yet?

[Mooshashi]

Watch Dafoe in Shadow of the Vampire

Good one. Also The Last Temptation of Christ.

[STREET CLEANER]

Good one. Also The Last Temptation of Christ.

He is a good actor. He could had done a great joker if they gave him the opportunity. I think he is too old now, he is like 65

[Zaroku]

He is a good actor. He could had done a great joker if they gave him the opportunity. I think he is too old now, he is like 65

i like that *** guy ben stiller in the scence from tropic thunder where he was emulating william d... if was funny.....

[Outworn]

If you already started, you should have finished it.

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Dafoe's monologue here is the most important scene in the entire movie and ties together the theme and the message.




Winslow represents the young generation. They see all the success of the previous generation and they feel they are entitled to the same thing. They feel like it deserves to be given to them because the previous generation had it.

What they don't understand is that those that came before them only got their success and achieved the pinnacle of their lives because they became worthy of it.

The whole movie winslow thinks oh I'm working so hard, I deserve this and this and this. And Thomas wake keeps telling him, it's not good enough, do it better, do it right. But winslow is too caught up in his own hardship and what he feels he deserves. What it means is that if you want something you go to hell for it, whatever it takes, to become worthy of it, you do what you have to do to do it right, to earn it.

The lighthouse... the light... it represents everything we want the pinnacle of our lives and success and dreams... God's light.

But to get it.. we have to become worthy of it. We have to do whatever it takes... not only what we feel is hard.. but what is necessary. If we don't do what it necessary, then we'll never be worthy of that light.

So winslow kills thomas, steals the key, and goes into the light. The message with the ending is... even if you steal the light, if you haven't become worthy, it will never be yours, it will never belong to you, because you haven't earned it.

Nice... Thank you for the synopsis. I don't think i would've gotten the message even if i've watched it till the end.



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Btw any meaning when Defoe was caught ******* off while
watching the light? Or Winslow fucking the mermaid?

[llll]

Nice... Thank you for the synopsis. I don't think i would've gotten the message even if i've watched it till the end.



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Btw any meaning when Defoe was caught ******* off while
watching the light? Or Winslow fucking the mermaid?

The story was told through winslow's perspective. That's why we could see his hallucinations and dreams.

His vision of dafoe in the lighthouse was either just a reflection of what he percieved the light to be- a reflection of his boyish nature- or a depiction of the light as pure ecstacy.

Him ****ing the mermaid also shows his boyish energy. He is filled with desire and unfulfilled ***ual perversion, he is unable to resist temptation because he is at his core a boy, unfit to live in the world of men.

In his past life he worked as a lumber man, and because of all his boyish energy, and temptation and desire, he ****ed up his life, he killed the real winslow. He was only able to keep going because he stole his identity to start over.

He ran to the ends of the earth on borrowed time to be a wickie, so far away from where he started. Always running.. never able to face life, never being able to become a man. He was doing ok for a while, maybe he could have become a career wickie. But his temptation and weakness and boyishness took over again.. and even though the old man told him that sea gulls are sacred, he killed one anyway, just like he killed the real winslow. Winslow was always hopeless. He could never escape his sins or himself.. no matter how far he ran, and he ran to the literal ends of the earth to this lighthouse. He was only living on stolen time.

Movies like this are open to interpretation, and there is no 100% correct interpretation, but this is what I thought.

[llll]

It was a long ass movie, a hard watch filled with a lot of confusion.

But the cool thing about making it to the end and understanding the themes of a well made movie like this... is that once you grasp the thesis... it's like a key to unlocking the movie..

When you think back once you grasp the thesis or the key, everything that happened starts falling into place.

A great movie like this, you look back on like a memory. The process of watching it is separate from the process of remembering it, because your perspective and understanding changes once you reach the end.

[GrandmasterWang]

The joker actually is who he is because of batman.

If the joker can make batman kill him, then he wins.

And so he causes unfathomable devastation just so batman will break his code and kill him.

That was explored in the dark knight returns.

When batman disappearred, the joker stooped into a coma-like catharsis... because the world is already enveloped in chaos so without batman to break, he had no purpose for living.

When batman showed up to try to bring order to the chaos, then he became the joker again.

Did you watch Gotham at all?

While I didn't get into it the final couple of episodes with the Joker transition aren't bad and touch upon what you are talking about with the Joker effectively lying 'dormant' for a decade while Bruce Wayne is away and only reawakening when 'Batman' is back for him to tangle with.

The fan made YouTube movie/highlight "Double Insanity" which shows the Jokers emergence is worth a watch and better than the show for an interesting take on the character.

[llll]

Did you watch Gotham at all?

While I didn't get into it the final couple of episodes with the Joker transition aren't bad and touch upon what you are talking about with the Joker effectively lying 'dormant' for a decade while Bruce Wayne is away and only reawakening when 'Batman' is back for him to tangle with.

The fan made YouTube movie/highlight "Double Insanity" which shows the Jokers emergence is worth a watch and better than the show for an interesting take on the character.

Nah dude lol...

I watched a couple episodes and it was too cheesy and corny for me.. I couldn't find anything meaningful about it to latch onto.

[GrandmasterWang]

Nah dude lol...

I watched a couple episodes and it was too cheesy and corny for me.. I couldn't find anything meaningful about it to latch onto.

I hear you. That's also why I couldn't get into it.

Watch double insanity on Youtube though. It's all about their version of the Joker and the actor does his best with the material. It's fanmade by a massive Joker fan. You'll get something out of it I'm sure.

Double Insanity is better than the 3rd Nolan Batman with Bane turned out to be.

[_Rexy_]

I read a joker story (can’t remember which one now for the life of me) where he was older. Basically Batman and him were senior citizens and he escaped Arkham one last time...it would have to be a story like that due to Dafoe’s age, but he could do it.