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    #11
    Originally posted by Dixie Normis View Post
    So ***** runs **** and breaks the truce by firing rockets into Israel. Israel responds and civilians are killed. ***** started it. Does knowing that fact make us all racist now? Go tell your lovely ********* friends who run **** your feelings and maybe they will stop using their own people as human shields while they shoot rockets into Israel.
    Didn't the Israelis start it by pushing the ************ off their land and enclosing them in ****? They are not free to leave (it's like a huge prison).

    Jeremy Bowen's **** notebook: I saw no evidence of ***** using ************ as human shields



    Trouble has been brewing between Israel and ***** for months. The signs were there before the Israeli and *********** teenagers were kidnapped and murdered, and before Israels crackdown on ***** in the West Bank. Its all horribly familiar. Missiles, rockets and threats, and another Israeli prime minister saying that this time military action would make his people safer.

    History shows that military action merely deepens the conflict. Only a proper peace deal will make ************ and Israelis safer. There is no chance of one right now, which means more small wars, which will eventually become much bigger ones.

    ************ who live in **** often call it the worlds biggest prison. They mean that about 1.8 million people live in a small strip of land, and most of them are not allowed out by Israel and Egypt, which control the border crossings. In ****, the human spirit is strong and it can be a surprisingly cheerful prison, but not now, of course.

    The main route into **** for a journalist is through the Erez checkpoint from Israel. Erez looks a shiny airport terminal, empty and echoing except for the security guards with automatic weapons, and bored young women in the glass passport booths checking their mobiles. To cross, you need a foreign passport and an Israeli press card.

    After a series of corridors and steel turnstiles is a concrete wall with a steel door. It slides open, controlled by a distant Israeli at the other end of the CCTV, and **** is on the other side. Next comes a kilometre-long wired-in walkway. If you're lucky, a few ************ granted permission by Israel to approach the gate will be waiting. They run a shuttle service that links up with taxis that take you to the ***** checkpoint. Israel destroyed their small terminal when the current war started. Now they're back to noting down passport numbers in a ledger on a table under the shade of a tree.

    It wasn't always like that. When I started visiting **** in 1991, hundreds of thousands of ************ crossed Erez every day to get to work. Paul Adams, my BBC colleague, told me that when he first went to ****, teaching on a gap year in 1980, he took a party of *********** children on a public bus from the West Bank for a day at the seaside.

    Now, anyone who could negotiate a public bus service from the West Bank to **** would at the very least get a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize. The diplomat who found a way to stop the killing on ****s beaches and streets would deserve much more than that.

    I saw Binyamin *********, Israels prime minister, giving an interview to the BBC after Israel had killed more than 60 people in the **** district of Shejaiya. He said he regretted the civilian casualties in **** but they were the fault of *****. ********* said Israel had warned people to get out. Some had taken the advice; others had been prevented from leaving by *****.

    I was back in London for my sons 11th birthday party by the time all those people were killed in Shejaiya. But my impression of ***** is different from *********s. I saw no evidence during my week in **** of Israels accusation that ***** uses ************ as human shields. I saw men from ***** on street corners, keeping an eye on what was happening. They were local people and everyone knew them, even the young boys. Raji Sourani, the director of the *********** Centre for Human Rights in ****, told me that *****, whatever you think of it, is part of the *********** DNA.

    I met Sourani first when he was condemning abuses by Yasser Arafats men. He has taken an equally tough stance on *****. Now he says Israel is violating the laws of war by ignoring its legal duty to treat *********** civilians as protected non-combatants.

    *****, human rights groups say, also violates the laws of war by firing missiles at civilians. I used to be very cynical about international humanitarian law. When I heard, some time around the end of the Bosnian war in 1995, that the UN was setting up a tribunal to prosecute war criminals in the former Yugoslavia I thought it was a bad joke. I feel differently now, especially after testifying four times at the tribunal. I dont think anything similar is coming for the Israelis and ************. But the laws of war are the best way we have to measure the degrees of horror that human beings inflict on each other.

    When I left ****, *********** rockets were landing uncomfortably close to Erez crossing. When the alert sounded, our Israeli driver leapt out, leaving the engine running, and took cover behind a wall. It is very frightening to be caught up in a rocket attack like that. Israeli civilians have been protected by the Iron Dome anti-missile system, by a big investment in civil defence (in the border town of Sderot, even the bus stops double as bomb shelters) and because their people are trained from childhood about how to take cover.

    But it is wrong to suggest that Israeli civilians near **** suffer as much as ************. It is much, much worse in ****. I defy anyone with an ounce of human feeling not to feel the same after ten minutes in ****s Shifa Hospital with wounded and dying civilians. In the mortuary, its so overcrowded that the bodies of two children are crammed on to a single shelf. One day, they had only found enough of the remains of six women and children to fill a single stretcher.

    Before ****, I'd spent most of the past two months in Baghdad, Beirut, Jerusalem, Aleppo and Damascus. The Middle East is on fire. I haven't seen anything like it since my first reporting trip to the region in 1990. I don't think anyone knows how to put the fire out.
    Last edited by The Hammer; 08-23-2014, 10:34 AM.

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      #12
      Can all the do-gooders please log off, get off your fat lazy arses, and go over to **** and distribute aid or something, instead of moaning on message boards? You'll probably be taken hostage and have your head cut off with a butter knife because you're not a ******, but in the days before that you'll do a lot of good.

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        #13
        If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.

        - Malcolm X



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          #14
          Originally posted by Rapid Counter View Post
          80 rockets were fired into Israel recently and a child was killed. If it wasnt for that iron dome system they have a lot more would have been killed.

          So basically Israel are better at war and better equipped and you are posting the numbers of people dead to get sympathy.

          It would be like me throwing a punch at Juan Manuel Marquez and then *****ing and moaning because i had to eat a 5 punch combo in return.

          Stop breaking cease fires and there will be less deaths ...... simple!
          Wouldnt it be more like throwing a punch at JMM and then him going and beating your wife and kids? Silly *********** kids firing missiles at Israel.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Kulilin View Post
            Wouldnt it be more like throwing a punch at JMM and then him going and beating your wife and kids? Silly *********** kids firing missiles at Israel.
            Its a sad fact of life that innocent people, men, women and children will die in war. I dont understand why people are complaining about this. If the numbers were reversed i dont think the ts would have put them up. Im not ***, ******, Christian, Hindu, so im not taking sides.

            I just dont see the point of posting numbers.... like any army who is winning/causing more fatalities is the bad guy and the good guys are the ones getting there ass kicked. I love a plucky underdog as much as the next but this is bull****

            If Israel didnt have the iron dome defense system there would be many woman and children on both sides being killed. If Israel didnt have a well equipped army ***** would wipe out every last one of them.
            Last edited by Rapid Counter; 08-23-2014, 12:58 PM.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Rapid Counter View Post
              Its a sad fact of life that innocent people, men, women and children will die in war. I dont understand why people are complaining about this. If the numbers were reversed i dont think the ts would have put them up. Im not ***, ******, Christian, Hindu, so im not taking sides.

              I just dont see the point of posting numbers.... like any army who is winning/causing more fatalities is the bad guy and the good guys are the ones getting there ass kicked. I love a plucky underdog as much as the next but this is bull****
              So we agree that your analogy about JMM was extremely flawed since the people being punished arent the ones initiating the fighting? It's not that they're causing more fatalities it's who the casualties are. If you don't understand why people are complaining about innocent women and children being indiscriminately murdered, then you've missed out on some valuable life lessons that nobody on an internet forum is going to be able to teach you.

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                #17
                Originally posted by Kulilin View Post
                So we agree that your analogy about JMM was extremely flawed since the people being punished arent the ones initiating the fighting? It's not that they're causing more fatalities it's who the casualties are. If you don't understand why people are complaining about innocent women and children being indiscriminately murdered, then you've missed out on some valuable life lessons that nobody on an internet forum is going to be able to teach you.
                I dont give a s**t either way. I just find the hypocracy funny. People in hear complaining about innocent people being killed wouldnt care so much if the shoe was on the other foot.

                My analogy is not flawed, ***** try to kill innocent people everyday, they are just not as good at it as their enemy and whine when they get their a$$ kicked all the while knowing they are killing there own people.... stop firing missiles from schools and hospitals simple.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by BattlingNelson View Post
                  Did the ***s fire rockets into ****germany?
                  Does Israel have gaschambers where they exterminate ************?


                  Your statement is pretty much as offensive as can be, but maybe you have some evidence to back up your claim?

                  I'm not holding my breath here. I expect you to have an entirely different agenda. Unless of course you are just an ignorant parrot.
                  You're wasting your time...
                  The logic of these poor dudes is that Israelis, out of the blue, started a **** children hunt...
                  Meanwhile, during the first 2 hours after entering Iraq, their ISIS "friends" shot dead about 2,500 civilians -- point blank, most of them.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Rapid Counter View Post
                    I dont give a s**t either way. I just find the hypocracy funny. People in hear complaining about innocent people being killed wouldnt care so much if the shoe was on the other foot.
                    You're right, people only complain about innocent people being killed when Israel does it. It's not like every country has it built into their justice system to punish people for that exact thing.

                    Originally posted by Rapid Counter View Post
                    My analogy is not flawed, ***** try to kill innocent people everyday, they are just not as good at it as their enemy and whine when they get their a$$ kicked all the while knowing they are killing there own people.... stop firing missiles from schools and hospitals simple.
                    So starting a fight and that person kicking your ass is analogous with starting a fight and that person killing everyone they associate with you. And you believe that logic to be unflawed? It sounds like you believe that since Israel is better at killing innocent people they're the good guys.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Rapid Counter View Post
                      I dont give a s**t either way. I just find the hypocracy funny. People in hear complaining about innocent people being killed wouldnt care so much if the shoe was on the other foot.

                      My analogy is not flawed, ***** try to kill innocent people everyday, they are just not as good at it as their enemy and whine when they get their a$$ kicked all the while knowing they are killing there own people.... stop firing missiles from schools and hospitals simple.
                      The level of civilisation is easily perceived when one looks at the human life price in a certain community...

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