Why ISN'T Jay-Z the greatest of all-time to you guys?

[Verstyle]

The only other thing that goes hand in hand with it is the music itself, the beats. He's got some dope beats, IMO. But, apart from his cross over success I can't see why he's seen as a such a beast.

Currently you left the bottom line of "he still got 12 straight albums hitting no.1" but that again, comes down to his cross over success. More people buying his shiz doesn't equal a great.

I respect your opinion though.

I respect your also. But how come the ones you guys say are better, aren't hitting those charts as hard as Jay? It's all free game, anyone can get up there. I doubt Jay is buying his own albums and putting them in his basement.

[Terrel]

I respect your also. But how come the ones you guys say are better, aren't hitting those charts as hard as Jay? It's all free game, anyone can get up there. I doubt Jay is buying his own albums and putting them in his basement.

Can't stress it enough... Cross over success.

[frosty-g]

what is Jay-Z supposed to be good at? never mind great.
i don't get it

[Verstyle]

[QUOTE=Terrel;12034325]Can't stress it enough... Cross over success.]

You think some of those better rappers tried it and failed then said they're trying to keep it real? Be honest.

[Sweet Pea 50]

As far as longevity, not too many people are messing with $hort.

[Verstyle]

As far as longevity, not too many people are messing with $hort.

LL Cool J............

[Terrel]

You think some of those better rappers tried it and failed then said they're trying to keep it real? Be honest.

Them rappers tried it, without doubt. But, simply weren't successful enough to make themselves a cross over success like Jay. Even if you listen to a lot of the lyrics of past greats you can see the differences. Jay's more commercial, got his foot in every door. Clothing line, alcohol... everything comes from that cross over success.

But, yes. I agree that the previous rappers never made it but most likely tried. This comes down to cross over success, they just didn't hit it with the wider public.

[Verstyle]

Them rappers tried it, without doubt. But, simply weren't successful enough to make themselves a cross over success like Jay. Even if you listen to a lot of the lyrics of past greats you can see the differences. Jay's more commercial, got his foot in every door. Clothing line, alcohol... everything comes from that cross over success.

But, yes. I agree that the previous rappers never made it but most likely tried. This comes down to cross over success, they just didn't hit it with the wider public.

You're just giving more reason on why he should be up there. To cross over and be good at it.

[Chups]

Emmitt Smith has the record for all time rushing leader....he must be the greatest Running back ever.



And it's 11 albums not 12.

[Sweet Pea 50]

LL Cool J............

I said not too many. Why you got to one up me, short round?



Take a muscle bound man, and put his face in the sand....