Anyone watching this George Floyd trial?

[2shameless]

The dr that did the autopsy is giving his testimony now. With what he explained that would go down as undetermined. He said the cause of the death was the cops. Poor timing.

Well unlike you and your ilk, I prefer to wait until all of the evidence in this trial has been revealed before condemning a man with a lifetime of public service. While I find his (your?) finding of multiple assailants intriguing, I'll wait until cross examination before assessing the coroner's testimony and until the end of the trial before riling up a lynch mob.

[travestyny]

How can you believe that to be the only possible cause of death, especially when that man was on an over dose ride of Fentynal? Besides, what about Morries Hall (Floyds drug dealer) taking the 5th and not testifying (for the prosecution) because the judge brought Murder 3 back up to the table? .............Rockin'

Have you been watching the trial, or just going by what you believed from the very beginning strictly from your own bias?

On the network I'm watching, they make it clear over and over that the prosecution doesn't have to prove that Chauvin's actions were the only cause. They only have to prove that his actions were the substantial causal factor in accordance with Minnesota law.

[Robbie Barrett]

Well unlike you and your ilk, I prefer to wait until all of the evidence in this trial has been revealed before condemning a man with a lifetime of public service. While I find his (your?) finding of multiple assailants intriguing, I'll wait until cross examination before assessing the coroner's testimony and until the end of the trial before riling up a lynch mob.

But you was just so willing to give your opinion not long ago. There's a reason Chauvin wanted a plea deal. This is not looking good.

[siablo14]

Well unlike you and your ilk, I prefer to wait until all of the evidence in this trial has been revealed before condemning a man with a lifetime of public service. While I find his (your?) finding of multiple assailants intriguing, I'll wait until cross examination before assessing the coroner's testimony and until the end of the trial before riling up a lynch mob.

Go elsewhere with that crap.

[2shameless]

But you was just so willing to give your opinion not long ago. There's a reason Chauvin wanted a plea deal. This is not looking good.

Yes an opinion based on evidence presented. You should try it sometime. Unlike you I won't lose sleep regardless of the outcome.

[2shameless]

Floyd was pinned to the ground and suffocated by a knee to his neck for nine minutes.

Hasn't that narrative already been proven false. Does shoulder blades ring a bell?

[travestyny]

Hasn't that narrative already been proven false. Does shoulder blades ring a bell?

There is no angle where this is on his shoulder blades.

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[Real King Kong]

Once again...disagree. And again, not sure why we should keep going through this when we obviously disagree.

He was talking about using the taser at the point of getting him into the car, not when he was on the ground.

Once again, the crowd was asking him to get off of his neck. If he was so worried about the crowd, he could have just removed his knee.

The guy was intending to hurt Floyd. They already showed that he was smashing his fingers together and bending his wrist in a way that would make the handcuffs tighten on his wrists. They have already proven that he should have known to stay off of the guy's neck. The guy was telling him that he was hurting him and he ignored it. If I were doing something to hurt you, and you told me so, and I continue to do it. What do you think that means?


Of course the defense attorney is doing what he can do. It's all he can do. But how do you see this as manslaughter instead of murder? Give me a break. Muhammad Noor was "negligent" when he fired a shot into the dark that killed that white woman then...but he is in prison for 3rd degree murder. You are now focusing on the intent for assault with regards to 2nd degree murder and skipping over 3rd degree murder to shoot for manslaughter. Seems like you want this guy to get off with the least amount of years as possible for some reason. Sure we haven't gotten to the defense's witnesses yet, but it has taken a beaten from Chauvin's own fellow officers, superiors, and the best witnesses thus far who disproved the fentanyl defense yesterday. Yet day after day you come back with a defense of the defense. It's mind boggling.

If we disagree and you feel there’s no point in discussing it further, then fair enough. I’m not sure why you’re acting perplexed as to why it carries on while at the same time continuing to reply. Nobody has a gun to your head.

The getting him in the car part and once he was on the ground, aren’t separate though. Holding him down was the de-escalation technique chosen over the taser in response to resistance.

Floyd was telling him all kinds of things, but he was saying these things before he was in that position too. It’s already been established in the trial that suspects act certain ways and say things in attempt to get out of trouble. I’m not saying I fully agree with their interpretation of the events, but I have to acknowledge where reasonable doubt has been established.

The idea that I must want this guy to get less time is the same thing that other poster accused me of. As I said to him, I’m just discussing particulars of the case. It was him, like you, who appeared to have more of an emotional attachment to the outcome than I do. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, but I’m definitely not cheering for this cop.

[travestyny]

If we disagree and you feel there’s no point in discussing it further, then fair enough. I’m not sure why you’re acting perplexed as to why it carries on while at the same time continuing to reply. Nobody has a gun to your head.

Because I've stated the reason I disagree with you but you keep coming back adding more, so I feel a need to repeat myself.

The getting him in the car part and once he was on the ground, aren’t separate though. Holding him down was the de-escalation technique chosen over the taser in response to resistance.

When he was pulled out of the car, he said, "Thank you." I hardly think he should have been tased at that point.

Floyd was telling him all kinds of things, but he was saying these things before he was in that position too. It’s already been established in the trial that suspects act certain ways and say things in attempt to get out of trouble. I’m not saying I fully agree with their interpretation of the events, but I have to acknowledge where reasonable doubt has been established.

The idea that I must want this guy to get less time is the same thing that other poster accused me of. As I said to him, I’m just discussing particulars of the case. It was him, like you, who appeared to have more of an emotional attachment to the outcome than I do. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, but I’m definitely not cheering for this cop.

I'm just trying to understand because you seem to be waffling a lot and at the same time bringing up a lot of things from the defense that don't seem very compelling arguments to me. You are at some times talking about what could happen (ie. he could walk free...well yea, anything is possible) and other times what you personally believe he should be found guilty of and why. It seems you are calling for only manslaughter. Why not 3rd degree murder?

[Real King Kong]

Because I've stated the reason I disagree with you but you keep coming back adding more, so I feel a need to repeat myself.




When he was pulled out of the car, he said, "Thank you." I hardly think he should have been tased at that point.



I'm just trying to understand because you seem to be waffling a lot and at the same time bringing up a lot of things from the defense that don't seem very compelling arguments to me. You are at some times talking about what could happen (ie. he could walk free...well yea, anything is possible) and other times what you personally believe he should be found guilty of and why. It seems you are calling for only manslaughter. Why not 3rd degree murder?

Pulling him from the car and pinning him to the ground was the alternative, and lesser form of force according to the use of force expert.

I’m not sure what you mean about “waffling”. I said what I believe he’s guilty of and why, which of course could change after everything is on the table, but also recognize the defence strategy of building a reasonable doubt case. It’s not cut and dry at all.

As far as 3rd degree goes, I’m not 100% clear on the application of that charge. It’s not typically used for these types of alleged crimes, so I’m not sure what effect that will have on it’s use here. Like I said before, it seems more compelling than the 2nd degree charge, but it may also be difficult to prove. That Chauvin unintentionally killed Floyd and was negligent in his actions, to me, is not nearly as hard to prove.