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[P4P_No1]

There's no debate whatsoever regarding Cleverley or Wilshere. I'm only mentioning it due to shockingly seeing a few Utd fans who think Cleverley is better. Wilshere is on another planet to Cleverley and Henderson and co.

I know some idiotic football fans but no way in hell can anyone, in their right mind, think that Tom Cleverley is fit to lace Wilshere's boots.

His movement, vision, passing, leadership qualities, midfield generalship, his knowledge of the game, awareness of space is unreal for someone his age and the fact he's English lol.

He's the player England's team should be built around.

Luke Shaw is another one who looks class with the ball. Couldn't believe it when i found out he was only 17.

Shaw looks a different class & the fact he's only 17 speaks wonders.

Be interesting to see how he develops. Southampton do seem to produce some very very good players.

[AssasinKing]

I know some idiotic football fans but no way in hell can anyone, in their right mind, think that Tom Cleverley is fit to lace Wilshere's boots.

His movement, vision, passing, leadership qualities, midfield generalship, his knowledge of the game, awareness of space is unreal for someone his age and the fact he's English lol.

He's the player England's team should be built around.

I know wilshere is quality...but dont underrated tom cleverly...and dont dare compare cleverly to henderson

Everytime cleverly plays for United, he makes the game faster from midfield....the passing quickens up...and we actually do the 'barca' ticky tacky football....he finishes clinical chances...and puts a hell of a challenge in...

I find it hard to leave him out of the squad, im sure fergie finds it hard when he has to drop him...same for welbeck

[P4P_No1]

I know wilshere is quality...but dont underrated tom cleverly...and dont dare compare cleverly to henderson

Everytime cleverly plays for United, he makes the game faster from midfield....the passing quickens up...and we actually do the 'barca' ticky tacky football....he finishes clinical chances...and puts a hell of a challenge in...

I find it hard to leave him out of the squad, im sure fergie finds it hard when he has to drop him...same for welbeck

He finishes clinical chances? Are we watching the same Cleverley here? I've seen him miss a silly amount of "easy" chances, from his time at Wigan, Watford and now with United and England.

He's a good player, don't get me wrong but I think he's just that. A good player.

It's interesting you say that about Henderson because didn't he just win England's U21 player of the year award?

That said I don't know the criteria and I've never really seen a great deal of him to judge him against Cleverley.

Wellbeck is an odd one. He works very hard and seems to get the best out of his strike partners but his composure at times is woeful. Nowhere near what it should be for someone playing at the level he's at (I don't take his record for England into account because well 2 of those goals were against like San Marino or Iceland). For someone to have only scored something like 19 goals since making his professional debut and is playing in a team like United, it's a weird one.

Not a fan of Wellbeck I gotta admit.

[Joe2608]

Wilshere is definitely better than Cleverly but the gap isn't as huge as people are making it out to be. Wilshere is getting over rated for doing things a midfielder at a top club is expected to do. It's just because he's English that people are getting a bit too excited, happens with every young English talent.

[AssasinKing]

He finishes clinical chances? Are we watching the same Cleverley here? I've seen him miss a silly amount of "easy" chances, from his time at Wigan, Watford and now with United and England.

He's a good player, don't get me wrong but I think he's just that. A good player.

It's interesting you say that about Henderson because didn't he just win England's U21 player of the year award?

That said I don't know the criteria and I've never really seen a great deal of him to judge him against Cleverley.

Wellbeck is an odd one. He works very hard and seems to get the best out of his strike partners but his composure at times is woeful. Nowhere near what it should be for someone playing at the level he's at (I don't take his record for England into account because well 2 of those goals were against like San Marino or Iceland). For someone to have only scored something like 19 goals since making his professional debut and is playing in a team like United, it's a weird one.

Not a fan of Wellbeck I gotta admit.

Welbeck has more ability than Cleverly...Welbeck is probably gonna be 1 of Englands best players...He just needs to add more goal scoring to his game..saying that he has played on the wings for us more than anything this season...people are talking about how many goals he scored, yet he has only been playing on the wings this year...and last year he helped on the wings also

Wayne backs Welbeck

Wayne Rooney has urged critics to stop judging Danny Welbeck purely on his goals return.

Welbeck, 22, came second behind Steven Gerrard at the FA’s England Player of the Year awards on Sunday night, but has found the net just once for Manchester United in 2012/13.

Rooney, however, is at pains to point out that the young forward hasn’t always been deployed as an out-and-out striker.

“We're not too concerned about him not scoring too many this season. He’s a fantastic player who works hard and brings a lot of energy to the team.

“He hasn’t been playing up front a lot – he’s been playing out wide. He’s been doing a job for the team, which, as players, we’re all grateful for.”

Rooney admits he’s suffered similar criticism in the past when he’s dropped deep and his goal tally has, naturally, slowed.

“Everyone labels Danny as a striker and I have had that at times when I have played in different positions. Someone will bring up the fact that I haven't scored for eight games when I hadn't played up front!

“Danny has been out wide a lot this season. He is a great player and his time will come when he gets that run up front. I am sure then he will score goals.”

And Henderson has a few good games but overall his games have been pretty damn ****..especially if we are comparing him to wilshere and cleverly...

And your referring to the cleverly of last year year before etc (scoring 11 at watford)...im talking about this years cleverly...Hes a midfielder not a striker...and his goalscoring is better than wilsheres if your going to criticise him on his finishing lol

Wilshere has 4 goals in 70 arsenal appearances...cleverly has 4 alone this year

[SirTomJones]

None of you United boys mentioned Campbell scoring for us against dirty Leeds

[P4P_No1]

Welbeck has more ability than Cleverly...Welbeck is probably gonna be 1 of Englands best players...He just needs to add more goal scoring to his game..saying that he has played on the wings for us more than anything this season...people are talking about how many goals he scored, yet he has only been playing on the wings this year...and last year he helped on the wings also

And Henderson has a few good games but overall his games have been pretty damn ****..especially if we are comparing him to wilshere and cleverly...

And your referring to the cleverly of last year year before etc (scoring 11 at watford)...im talking about this years cleverly...Hes a midfielder not a striker...and his goalscoring is better than wilsheres if your going to criticise him on his finishing lol

Wilshere has 4 goals in 70 arsenal appearances...cleverly has 4 alone this year

I'm not criticising his goals scoring record, I'm criticising that when I've watched him; he missess some very easy chances. It's nothing to do with he's a midfielder or a striker or anything like that.

I personally haven't seen Wilshere miss those sort of sitters. He might have but I just haven't seen it. If you look back, I don't think I ever said that Wilshere was a great/clinical finisher but you mentioned that Cleverly was a "clinical" finisher but I just made a point against that.

I mean you're a United fan so I'd expect you'd know more about Welbeck and his potential ability than I do but I just don't see it with him. I understand he's played out on the wings but he's not always played out there. Again the few times I've watched United this season Welbeck has played up top.

I'm not quite sure what the point of pasting the Rooney article in there is for either. He's hardly likely to come out and say "Welbeck's been ****" or anything along those lines is he?

[AssasinKing]

I'm not criticising his goals scoring record, I'm criticising that when I've watched him; he missess some very easy chances. It's nothing to do with he's a midfielder or a striker or anything like that.

I personally haven't seen Wilshere miss those sort of sitters. He might have but I just haven't seen it. If you look back, I don't think I ever said that Wilshere was a great/clinical finisher but you mentioned that Cleverly was a "clinical" finisher but I just made a point against that.

I mean you're a United fan so I'd expect you'd know more about Welbeck and his potential ability than I do but I just don't see it with him. I understand he's played out on the wings but he's not always played out there. Again the few times I've watched United this season Welbeck has played up top.

I'm not quite sure what the point of pasting the Rooney article in there is for either. He's hardly likely to come out and say "Welbeck's been ****" or anything along those lines is he?

How is this possible when welbeck has played upfront like twice this whole season? Unless they were the only 2 games of Uniteds you watched? I was posting the article to reiterate my statement, welbeck has not been played upfront this year....because our wingers have been so **** (valencia, nani and young)... we have resorted to putting welbeck on the wing who has been doing a better job

And I brought up the wilshere goal scoring etc... as we were comparing wilshere and cleverly ability wise....I thought I would just state cleverly actually scores goals aswel

Also last year welbeck got 12 goals (yes not alot but hey) and he was played upfront...this year I have seen big improvements in his game already, just need to see how he does when hes played up front

[P4P_No1]

How is this possible when welbeck has played upfront like twice this whole season? Unless they were the only 2 games of Uniteds you watched? I was posting the article to reiterate my statement, welbeck has not been played upfront this year....because our wingers have been so **** (valencia, nani and young)... we have resorted to putting welbeck on the wing who has been doing a better job

And I brought up the wilshere goal scoring etc... as we were comparing wilshere and cleverly ability wise....I thought I would just state cleverly actually scores goals aswel

Also last year welbeck got 12 goals (yes not alot but hey) and he was played upfront...this year I have seen big improvements in his game already, just need to see how he does when hes played up front

How is what possible? I rarely watch United, unless I'm home and they're on Super Sunday or something like that. If not I'm catching it on MOTD but as I've said, when I've seen United this season he's been up front. Just because you play out on the wing too doesn't mean you don't get chances either, just look at Walcott/Podolski/etc.

As I said, I'm not in a great position to judge his potential and future ability because I haven't seen a great deal of him. What I have seen, I'm just not convinced. That's all.

[Sparked_26]

Cleverly is very economical.

Everything is one and two touch and he keeps it ticking over but Wilshere can carry a ball forward on his own, put his foot on it, play more ambitious passes, and gee people up.

It is also worth noting that Arsenal are gash and Man United aren't. Both alongside Southampton's Shaw are the only English outfield players under 24 who are actually good.

Not sold on Zaha at all.