philly shell question

[shs101]

Who as a southpaw made/makes good use of the philly shell? (shoulder roll position, crab, etc) Looking for more fighters/footage to take note on.

[purecyse]

Who as a southpaw made/makes good use of the philly shell? (shoulder roll position, crab, etc) Looking for more fighters/footage to take note on.

Zab Judah uses it effectively for the most part. Look at his positioning/ angles when he limits a fighter's offense and when they adjust their own angles to land those same punches. Judah starts to become static as the fight goes on and stops ACTIVELY taking away those angles himself.

Floyd Mayweather (mirror him, of course):
Sharmba Mitchell
Victor Ortiz
Robert Guerrero
- Mayweather got touched too much in the Judah and Corley fights and had to resort to the high guard (which I really recommend)

Adrien Broner v.s. Antonio Demarco:
Broner got touched a lot in this fight too due to his focus on breaking Demarco down. Look at how he has his body positioned when he gets hit solidly but ESPECIALLY focus on everything he does to limit the left hands and right hooks. Hitting Demarco to the body to make him keep his hands at home was one tactic.

Pernell Whitaker:
ANY southpaw trying to improve their defensive strategy through study should have a collection of Sweet Pea fights. Head movement, feints, body work, angles, foot position and everything that that southpaw jab can do for you is within his collection.

[Trapsetter]

Whitaker was only able to utilize a philly shell because he had out of this world head movement and it looked cute.

It's dangerous to use as a southie because it leaves you open to the straight right hand which is the best punch to use against a southie. I don't recommend it

[Ray Corso]

Why does it have to be a southpaw? Just watch & learn and transpose it to a southpaw! Archie Moore, if you do study hard that should take you a while!!
Ray.

[cameronpaul]

whats crab position?

[Rockin']

Who as a southpaw made/makes good use of the philly shell? (shoulder roll position, crab, etc) Looking for more fighters/footage to take note on.

the 'philly shell' has absolutely nothing to do with a shoulder roll.

watch Joe Fraizer to see the 'philly shell', not Floyd Mayweather.
Mayweathers shell is the 'Detroit Shell' if it were to have a name, that's where it comes from in recent times.
............Rockin'

[mconstantine]

I think for a southpaw, their are better defensive stances to use than Floyd's version of the Shell/Roll. It's much more effective when fighting a same handed fighter (southpaw vs. southpaw or orthodox vs. orthodox) which is less frequent for a southpaw.

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Guillermo Rigondeaux at times, but he has fantastic footwork to just about do anything he wants.

[greynotsoold]

I think for a southpaw, their are better defensive stances to use than Floyd's version of the Shell/Roll. It's much more effective when fighting a same handed fighter (southpaw vs. southpaw or orthodox vs. orthodox) which is less frequent for a southpaw.

I think that, in general, this is probably true. A southpaw would be better served, in my mind, by using his feet to create punching angles for himself, while keeping himself out of line for returns.
If you want to do this, then I guess I would watch Toney/Jirov a whole bunch and learn from what Toney did. Somebody above mentioned that this would leave you vulnerable for the straight right but I don't agree with that. You would be in a spot to see it coming for about 2.3 miles and, with his left hand basically out of the picture, there would be no reason to ever get hit with that right hand.