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    Who do you fight somebody who doesn't want to fight?

    I know how it sounds, but no i don't plan on mugging anybody. I'll try to make it short.

    Tonight i went to the gym just to see what was up, i'm taking the summer off since the trainer who usually trains me is off for the summer aswell. The only trainer there is a old british guy who tells everybody hook with your palms facing away from you. I never liked him as a trainer, he thinks he is always right and tries to make everyody into the same format instead of looking at what somebody can do and building around that.

    Anyway, as soon as i step in he's like "Hey Big Ben! We got a new heavyweight that will be able to spar with you. He'll be here soon!"

    I wasn't there to spar but...i love sparring so i waited. I warm up, shadow boxing, streching ect.

    I waited for the guy for over an hour before he arrived. He comes in, big guy, bit taller than me, but he was pretty much a fat ****, must have been 280-300 easily. The guy had never sparred before.

    Fast forward 40 minutes later, he's finally ready and we get in the ring. Trainer tells me to take it easy.

    As soon as we started i knew something was wrong. The guy was fighting scared, i took a step forward, he took two backwards. He had both his gloves in front of his face, his elbows in his ribs and didn't budge. I swear, we almost two rounds and he didn't land nothing, not even a jab. He just threw jabs when we weren't even in punching range like he wanted to make sure i didn't step forward.

    I was just jabbing hitting his gloves, threw some body shots. But honestly the guy never opened up. He acted like my gloves were covered in aids and his face was an open wound. I landed most of my my punches in his gloves and forearms. But he was always moving backwards, every time he was stuck in the ropes and i started throwing to the body trying to get him to open up the trainer told me to let him breathe and step back.

    I felt bad for the guy but i was also frustrated cause i could barely hit him. In the middle of the second round i was getting annoyed and i tried throwing some shots with some pop behind them, he still wasn't throwing punches and he was still convering up. I eventually caught him with a straight left, it was not really hard as i had to hyper extent because he was backing up as i threw the punch. But was soon as it landed he threw himself to the ground, i swear that punch could not have hurt him, he threw himself down in fear of getting it.

    His nose was bleeding a little and he said he wanted to stop. So we stopped. After that he came up to me to shake me hand and said "It was a good fight man, you hit like a mac truck" I didn't insult him but i honestly felt like clocking him right there for a second. I mean, you call that fighting? Running away from me for like 6 minutes.

    I'm so ****ing pissed. I could have just kept punching but he was new and i'm not that much of a ****.

    Long story but my question will be simple, how do you fight somebody who doesn't want to fight and just covers up and backs away? I landed a good amount of body shots but i landed 10 punches to the head tops and most of them weren't clean.

    No keyboard warriors please, i need real advice.

    Edit: ****, typo in the title. How do i edit this crap?
    Last edited by Equilibrium; 08-04-2009, 02:27 AM.

    #2
    how much weight did he have on you? i spar with people smaller then me and tend to have a hard time guaging my punches so i try not to hit them mainly just spend my time moving and blocking. ill reach out and get some hits in but no force behind them just enough to let the other person know that i could have gotten a clean hit.

    i mean it sounds like you got to practice offense against a bigger guy and he got to practice defense against some one that was faster what more do you want from a sparring session especially with some one thats new? at least he didnt charge at you arms flailing.

    as far as advice id say just try to spar with the guy more he probably just needs to get comfortable.
    Last edited by Spartacus Sully; 08-04-2009, 01:30 AM.

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      #3
      Theres always two types of new guys, the spastic ones who try to rush you, and the ones who are terrified and dont throw punches.

      Against a guy that is basically just being passive, well its difficult because if you are being told to take it light there isnt a hell of a lot you can do, in a fight i would think all my birthdays have come at once and just belt the hell out of him until the ref put an 8 count on him, but in a spar where im being told to go light.....probably just stick my jab out, throw a few downstairs, practice moving out at angles, practice second attacks, that kind of thing

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        #4
        tell him to throw something, refuse to be the aggressor or piss him off.

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          #5
          @ Ylem122: He wasn't much bigger, the weight he had on me was all fat. I'm 6'4 230-235 pounds, he was 6'4-6'5 and i'd have to say he was close to 300 pounds if not over it. Reach was basically the same, and i am much stronger and faster than him. So we can't really say he's a bigger guy, he just outweighted me with pure jello.

          The problem is like i said, he was scared of getting it, he didn't land a single blow on me and just tried to paw with his jab when we weren't in striking range. He had both his gloves in glued to his headgear. Honestly i am not exagerating, that exactly how it was.

          @ KostyaTszyu: It was the second type. I think he was really nervous and scared. I'm not a guy who tries to hurt people all the time. Sometimes sparring gets heated when sparring somebody who's good. But this time i was basically just play boxing with him but he was still very nervous. When i started throwing a little more in the second round i could see he wanted a way out.


          Hopefully when i go back in september he will either have quit or he will have sparred some more. Cause if he's the same i won't spar him again, i can get a better fight out of a heavybag, and atleast on the bag i don't have to hold back.

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            #6
            Mostly it sounds like the trainer's fault throwing a kid in before he was ready to spar and fight. The kid didn't know what he was doing and didn't want to get his ass killed being over-aggressive I can commisserate I've only been boxing for 3 weeks and did my first sparring session it was just jabbing, but uncertinty held me back some even though I wasn't passive it's hard to go full speed if you're not sure.
            It sounds like you're more experianced too so he knew any mistake would get him tagged hard. Honest truth is he shouldn't have been put in there yet.

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              #7
              Originally posted by MikeT86 View Post
              Mostly it sounds like the trainer's fault throwing a kid in before he was ready to spar and fight. The kid didn't know what he was doing and didn't want to get his ass killed being over-aggressive I can commisserate I've only been boxing for 3 weeks and did my first sparring session it was just jabbing, but uncertinty held me back some even though I wasn't passive it's hard to go full speed if you're not sure.
              It sounds like you're more experianced too so he knew any mistake would get him tagged hard. Honest truth is he shouldn't have been put in there yet.
              You're probably right but he knew i was going easy. I was being very friendly from the get go, but i expected him to atleast try to punch me. You know throw jabs, move a bit, throw some 1-2's, even if they don't land, i don't care, and i wouldn't try to take his head off if he was open.

              Problem is the guy started like a month ago and he wanted to spar, i go to a pretty small gym and we are only like 3-4 heavyweights at the gym. I get to spar with heavyweights from other gyms usually, they come over or we go there. But summer is pretty quiet and the owner(and best trainer) is off for the summer, a lot of people are in vacantions aswell. So the old man picked me knowing that i wouldn't try to knock him out.

              I'm ok with it now, but tonight back there i was getting annoyed. I would just walk up to him with my gloves to my waist and he still wouldn't try to hit me. I would take a step in his direction, he'd move back.

              Anyway, i hope he gets better and stop being scared of punches, he would make a good sparring partner for me. But honestly i think he might quit.

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                #8
                how do you fight someone who doesnt wanna fight? you work with him. if the trainer isnt saying **** then you gotta say **** to him. wave him in. let him throw some shots at you and work on your defense. then when he gets a little more comfortable throw a little more shots to get him the feeling of real sparring. so pretty much invite him in. cover up so he feels good about actually landing and not missing from you slipping or ducking the punch. yafeelme?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FIGHTING_FLIP View Post
                  how do you fight someone who doesnt wanna fight? you work with him. if the trainer isnt saying **** then you gotta say **** to him. wave him in. let him throw some shots at you and work on your defense. then when he gets a little more comfortable throw a little more shots to get him the feeling of real sparring. so pretty much invite him in. cover up so he feels good about actually landing and not missing from you slipping or ducking the punch. yafeelme?
                  Yeah good stuff, i did wave him in a lot. But he still didn't throw ****. If i get to spar him again i'll have a talk with him before going in and tell him i'll let him hit me.

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                    #10
                    hnfnbsfnuwrefs;urfajiofefah WHAT YOUONLY HAVE 3-4 HEVEYWEIGHTS!!?!?!? my gym got like 20.. i need to come down to your place for sparring



                    anyway you could be a ****head like me and beat the **** out of em

                    nah jk (somewhat ) but anyway my friend who been fighting for a while tells me that a fighter always knows how to control his power...so if it's a new guy just do things you wouldn't do for say a more exprience person. like maybe you should had just prataice on your jab or a combonation you wanted to try out...thats wht i usally do.

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