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[Darkstranger]

f.a.o Punchdrunk

Punch Drunk,

I like what you said about the ams. It kinda annoys me when people belittle the amateur game. Pitty Pat punches like you said,will not score points. Peolpe who claim that ams are full of light pitty pat punchers will get such a culture shock one day and it'll be a public humiliation in the ring in front of friends and family!

I've heard it a few times from different peeps on the forum claiming that they don't have an am style. This coming from people who aren't even open class yet! WTF?!

Yes it's true that some pro's didn't have great am records, but people rarely take into account the level these guys were fighting at when they suffered their losses. I'm guessing some amateur fighters have the talent to face higher level opposition earlier in their careers and therefore may suffer losses to someone a little more experienced. Is that right Punchdrunk?

[PunchDrunk]

Yeah, in am boxing there are no shortcuts to a good record (and a good am record is not necessarily a good pro record). It takes a lot of talent to get a good am record, a good pro record can be had with a talented manager/match maker.

[jadagod]

start conditioning. punchouts are pretty good. Heres a couple more:

4 rounds of:
30 seconds pushup burpees
30 seconds heavybag (hard shots)
30 seconds knuckle pushups
30 seconds heavybag (hard shots)
30 seconds pushup burpees
30 seconds heavybag (hard shots)
1 minute rest

Its a slight play on burpee conditioning from RT, after 2 weeks doing this twice a week along with my other conditioning my arms didnt tire at all and neither did I, this is the best conditioning Ive tried so far since its sport specific, use 16oz gloves.

Another one thats actually kind of fun is the deck of cards. its in the articles in rosstraining.com, you can swap around exercises too.

thanks ill do this twice aweek at home (i got a punch bag in my backyard) and see how i get on, looks like hard work and thats what i need!

[rufige]

i'm not too sure how the scorin system works out for am judges, so here's a noob question. does the person who throws more punches score more points or the one that throws the harder punches?

[PunchDrunk]

i'm not too sure how the scorin system works out for am judges, so here's a noob question. does the person who throws more punches score more points or the one that throws the harder punches?

Here's an idea: Read the thread.

[verbz]

jus to clear up da myth hopkins DID hav an amatuer career. he started boxing at da age of 7 or 9. he says so himself in his beyond the glory.

[rufige]

Here's an idea: Read the thread.

i did, but nothin was cleared up. you said if 2 fighters have about the same number of punches, than the person that is throwin the harder ones would have a better score. you also said that i harder punches would be more easily recognized for scorin.

but what if one fighter has a higher punching output that is clearly higher, but the other one has created a lot more damage from knock downs or standin counts?

or should i just read the thread over again?

[PunchDrunk]

i did, but nothin was cleared up. you said if 2 fighters have about the same number of punches, than the person that is throwin the harder ones would have a better score. you also said that i harder punches would be more easily recognized for scorin.

but what if one fighter has a higher punching output that is clearly higher, but the other one has created a lot more damage from knock downs or standin counts?

or should i just read the thread over again?

Do you expect to get an exact answer to that? Obviously it differs from fight to fight, according to what's going on in the ring, and who the judges are.

Who's to say how many light punches is enough to get a win against a harder puncher and vice versa? Can you tell me the answer to that in a pro fight? Can anyone? Of course not. You'll have to get in there, hit the other guy, try not to get hit yourself, and hope for the best. No one knows beforehand, amateur or pro.

[aussieboxer2320]

First of all, fighters with no am career are really bad examples to prove your point, since you don't know how they would have fared as ams.

Second, you're perpetuating the myth that ams have a emphasis on pitty pat punching. This is simply not correct! Scores are way down. Some international fights end up with both fighters scoring less than 10 points each in 4 rounds. If pitty pat punches scored, the scores would be much, much higher. The facts are that if you have two fighters landing anything close to the same amount of punches, the fighter throwing the heavier shots will win. The whole system is set up that way. Three of five judges have to score the point within 1.2 seconds of each other for the point to count. The very nature of this system means that the harder the punch, the more obvious it will be, and therefore the greater the chances of a majority of the judges acknowledging it. I don't know how many fights you watch, but I watch thousands, from beginners to world level (I'm going to the EU championships all next week for example) every year. I'm telling you that powerpunching is as much an advantage in the ams as in the pro's, because you'll just plain score more points (you still have to land though ).

okay good point you win lol you obviously have alot of experience with am boxing lol

[tomhead69]

i think it is the fighter to land more clean punches to gain points rather than power punches