The most controversial scoring - the Peter win or the judge who had it for Barrios?

For me, it's last night's, leaving a sour taste to Guzman's coming out party.

While I can maybe accept charitably that the ringside judge in question didn't have enough of a good view to see that when Barrios had Guzman in the corner most of his shots were being blocked and he was being countered, there's no way Guzman should have a SD on his record for such a masterful display.

While Toney-Peter was one of the biggest robberies of the year and I'd never justify it, I can kind of see what the short-sighting judges were viewing... Peter was at least throwing and pressuring Toney, albeit largely ineffectively.

To put it into perspective I had Toney winning 116-113, while I had Guzman pitching a virtual shutout, just giving away the final round and a share of another at 119-109. That might be slightly generous, but not far off IMO.

Let us also not forget that Barrios had a point deduction, so the judge who had him winning 115-113 was effectively saying that he won eight rounds... WTF???

[Kball15]

well, barrios still lost. so it wasnt that bad. but sam peter won from 2 BS decisions.

well, barrios still lost. so it wasnt that bad. but sam peter won from 2 BS decisions.

Yeah, I think that will sway the votes the fact that it's two ****s to one. But try and judge it on a pro rata basis.

What is more controversial: saying Sam won 116-111 or saying Barrios won 115-113? (Both with a point deduction I might add).

The fact that it's on record as a CLOSE fight is also aggravating.

[Kball15]

The fact that it's on record as a CLOSE fight is also aggravating.

THATS very true. lets say barrios turns out to be crap for the rest of his career, but guzman becomes an all time great (lets just say for hells sake)

people will look back on guzmans record and see that he just barely beat barrios. u know? so it could affect guzmans status in the long run, but i doubt it. i see where ur goin though

But i agree now that i understand the question. a judge giving barrios a win is far harder to see then a judge giving peter the win. both very difficult to see

[grayfist]

I voted "Both". I have been told that two ****s are not always better than one.

[moochi]

For me, it's last night's, leaving a sour taste to Guzman's coming out party.

While I can maybe accept charitably that the ringside judge in question didn't have enough of a good view to see that when Barrios had Guzman in the corner most of his shots were being blocked and he was being countered, there's no way Guzman should have a SD on his record for such a masterful display.

While Toney-Peter was one of the biggest robberies of the year and I'd never justify it, I can kind of see what the short-sighting judges were viewing... Peter was at least throwing and pressuring Toney, albeit largely ineffectively.

To put it into perspective I had Toney winning 116-113, while I had Guzman pitching a virtual shutout, just giving away the final round and a share of another at 119-109. That might be slightly generous, but not far off IMO.

Let us also not forget that Barrios had a point deduction, so the judge who had him winning 115-113 was effectively saying that he won eight rounds... WTF???

hey imagine if there wasn't that point deduction!!...it would have been a majority draw....

that would have been a robbery!!....

and in my opinion, he didn't deserve that deduction.

[2OSouzaSuarez12]

is Barrios on Golden Boy Promotions?

hey imagine if there wasn't that point deduction!!...it would have been a majority draw....

that would have been a robbery!!....

and in my opinion, he didn't deserve that deduction.

****, you're right, I hadn't thought of that. Because in my opinion the deduction was borderline, and they could easily have given him another warning.

That would have been DISGUSTING.

[Shanus]

I feel exactly the same way, it has somewhat tainted his win.

I think the judge who scored it for Barrios was slightly more controversial, simply because it was not a close fight at all.

James Toney/Sam Peter was a close fight, although nearly everybody but the judges scored it for Toney, it is quite debatable.

For the few people other than the judge that scored it for Barrios, you astonish me, were the American commentators having an influence over you? I don't know how they scored it.. but after watching it twice my scorecard remained the same at 118-111 for Guzman, and 119-109 isn't out of the question either, I don't think Barrios won a clear round, every round I had him winning were the rounds I felt Guzman was taking a rest in..

My bad for droning on about the subject, but it's things like this that furthermore make boxing an unpopular sport.