Comments Thread For: Moloney Opens Up On Nevada Replay Controversy, Trilogy With Franco

[BritishBoxing92]

the outcome decision to this fight appears to be a recent black eye as far as boxing is concerned or goes, say maybe a rematch to set the record straight or move on to the next big thing?

[Toffee]

I have a friend who lives in AU. It sounds like a scary place with scary tiny tyrants in government. America is not quite that bad, but the blue (******* ********) states have fairly tight restrictions, while the red (neo-con **********) states have far fewer restrictions. I live in NYC (extremely *******), but even here we don't face the type of craziness you just described. I was thinking of visiting AU and NZ one day, but I may have to reconsider now.

The strange thing is it's always been a very free place to live (I moved here from the UK). But suddenly, the COVID response was the sort of thing you would expect in China. Victoria had one of the longest and harshest lockdowns in the world. We were still severely locked down with a case or two per day. Adelaide had 15 cases recently and they locked down the whole state - couldn't even leave the home for exercise.

[Roadblock]

How does a country like Australia only have 11 new cases of COVID and the USA has upwards of 170k new cases? Could it be that COVID is not weaponized in AU like it is in America for political purposes?

We have the land mass of the US but our population equal NYC, we got some big open spaces here some cattle stations would swallow Texas.

Makes it a lot easier to jump all over an out break as soon as it happen, the USA has covid running wild all over the country no stopping it now until they get a vaccine.

[Roadblock]

The strange thing is it's always been a very free place to live (I moved here from the UK). But suddenly, the COVID response was the sort of thing you would expect in China. Victoria had one of the longest and harshest lockdowns in the world. We were still severely locked down with a case or two per day. Adelaide had 15 cases recently and they locked down the whole state - couldn't even leave the home for exercise.

The lockdowns worked Melbourne was getting 700 cases a day, a mth later none and none in the last few weeks.

You let this thing get a hold of a population and it will explode, they were all whining about the lockdowns but look at it now.

[Citizen Koba]

Mmmm. That's actually quite interesting, but I'm trying to square Briands assertion that in effect the raw number of deaths hasn't changed with the CDCs that in fact they have... so I'm wondering if we're talking about two slightly different data sets here? Unfortunately I'm not entirely clear on which data Briand using for her analysis and I'm just on my way out. I'll have a little delve into that later see what sense I can make of it.

In generallthough the question is a reasonable one, and the assertion that total deaths should be the issue, but it's one I expected to be most relevent in poorer countries where COVID deaths could easily be matched or exceeeded by deaths due to food scarity or other other issues from people not being able to work due to COVID restrictions.

Thanks, man, gonna lookin to this one a bit deeper this avvo, see whather I can wrap my head round it properly.

[Toffee]

The lockdowns worked Melbourne was getting 700 cases a day, a mth later none and none in the last few weeks.

You let this thing get a hold of a population and it will explode, they were all whining about the lockdowns but look at it now.

The vast majority of people were very compliant.

The whinging was because it was our quarantine system failing that released the virus into the community.

And of course because our NSW neighbours were afforded more freedoms and the government trusted their contact tracing to bring it under control, which it did. In Victoria we just shut everything and everyone down and continued when we had single figure case rises. Sledgehammer to crack a nut springs to mind.

[Roadblock]

The vast majority of people were very compliant.

The whinging was because it was our quarantine system failing that released the virus into the community.

And of course because our NSW neighbours were afforded more freedoms and the government trusted their contact tracing to bring it under control, which it did. In Victoria we just shut everything and everyone down and continued when we had single figure case rises. Sledgehammer to crack a nut springs to mind.

We got it easy in QLD I wouldnt like a lockdown like Victoria had, my 90yr old parents are there and when Vic was getting 700 day I think they did what they had to and it seems to have paid off. So many fck ups letting Covid in the country .

[Silver Spear]

My friend, you are singing to the choir. I've known all of these things for months now. When I pointed them out on Facebook on my wall, some people were ridiculing me or cursing me out. I live in NYC. If all the people they claim died from COVID, there would be no place for burials because most of our area cemeteries are getting close to capacity. I personally don't know a single person here who has contracted the virus. A lot of this sounds so fishy. And like you said, China has hardly missed a beat economically. Meanwhile, Mom & Pop USA is taking a frightful beating. Things like COVID and unemployment are convenient political footballs for obvious reasons. I hate to say it, but I kinda hope ***** somehow gets these election results overturned in the supreme court. I prefer four years or his b.s. to Creepy Joe and Cameltoe Harris -- two very reprehensible individuals on many levels.

Ever wonder why they never bring up the deaths? If you take out NY and Los Angeles deaths due to their idiot mayors killing the elderly, the death toll would be much smaller. Hopefully things clear up in the next 2 weeks with the election. I live in CA and I am getting closer and closer to moving out each day. Good luck to you in NY.

[Citizen Koba]

Ok I'm looking at the raw mortality data for the US here and quite clearly there is an excess over and above previous years although that dropped off quite sharply after the inital surge in March and the later bump in July / August



Confirmation here that the overall death count in excess of previous years was hovering around 300K between late January and Oct 3.



So then, we're left with the question of what Ms Briand's analysis of the data is actually looking at and how she comes to the reported claim that “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” Looking at the context it could be that Ms Briand was talking specifically about excess deaths in older folk, or that her analysis was misunderstood or misrepresented in some way by the author of the original article although Ms Briand herself said

Yanni Gu did an excellent at reporting the content of the presentation.

Either way the available data don't match what seems to be claimed in the article, and in fact even the chart in the article doesn't really match the claims made very well... the article says:

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged

Whereas in fact best I can tell average mortality in the US pre COVID is about 54K weekly (apx 2.84 mil deaths / year ) when in fact the nembers given on the chart with the article give a 62K weekly even through the summer months when the numbers would usually be lower.

So the numbers don't add up and furthermore the language of the article ain't really clear enough to be absolutely sure what's meant. TBH I'd be far more useful - in fact necessary to have Ms Briands original analysis and data to really understand what's being meant, but I've been unable to find it to be sure.

FWIW the original article was removed with these reasons given:

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19 disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Which tallies pretty well with what I've been able to figure out myself so..

Its also woth noting that for other countries with available data on excess mortality they definitely do show a similar trend and per capita increase to CDCs figures for the US which kinda lends some weight.



Furthermore the numbers from German and Spain show very clearly a spike in excess mortality in the elderly compared to other years:



IDK man, pick what you like... seems like some folk reckon this is evidence of some kinda conspiracy, but if it is it's not just in the US but worldwide... furthermore the language of the article is such that it's hard to be 100% clear exactly what is meant and besides it appears to contain contradictory information within so I really don't know. On balance I'd say it's far more likely that Ms Briand had effed up somehow or that the author of the article Yanni Gu has either misunderstood or presented the information poorly than that there's a global misinformation campaign underway, but you gotta make that call for yourself.

[BlackR0bbb]

The strange thing is it's always been a very free place to live (I moved here from the UK). But suddenly, the COVID response was the sort of thing you would expect in China. Victoria had one of the longest and harshest lockdowns in the world. We were still severely locked down with a case or two per day. Adelaide had 15 cases recently and they locked down the whole state - couldn't even leave the home for exercise.

That's indeed scary. It's not even like that here in New York, and we have a low IQ whack job ******* mayor everyone hates. Everyone despises Governor Cuomo, but Mayor Di Blasio is hated even more. When the wealthy started leaving the city, he told them to stay gone. That says a lot.