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    #11
    Originally posted by denium View Post
    Brook doesn't live the lifestyle, that's why he's going to lose.

    He's got all the talent in the world, but when you consider his party lifestyle and injuries sustained by GGG & Spence, I can't see him lasting 12.

    I can't argue with that, his dedication is certainly questionable outside the ring from all the pics I've seen of him he's been training hard for sometime and hasn't looked blown up in his face for a good while & I feel that is a great sign as he seems to hold a lot of waterweight in his face so it tells me he's been staying in shape.

    I could be wrong I'm not part of his camp lol but from everything I see and him moving away from Sheffield for this and ridding the distractions etc he has done everything right for this one.

    I get the injuries and it is always a worry and only takes one shot but I'd be a lot more concerned if I felt Crawford could punch. I know he's worn down everyone at WW & I don't want to say he can't punch but I'd say his power was very average.

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      #12
      I think it's a competitive fight early on, but I'd worry that the weight cut and over-training is going to hurt Brook in the later rounds.

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        #13
        Originally posted by mlac View Post
        Were u the only other guy on here that picked brook to beat porter dan? Had money on that too but not touching the underdog this time. Brook is done, the weight, motivation, trainer etc all points to a cash out

        He struggled with the male stripper ffs

        Yh but on the flip I picked Khan to beat Crawford also

        You maybe right the signs are there maybe its the fanboy in me but I don't feel hes shot. Slightly past it for certain.

        With Brook hes so fundamentally sound I feel it'll be a gradual decline. Someone like Crawford that is more an instinctive fighter that relies on reflexes I feel his decline will be a lot sharper.
        I'm not sold on him having a great chin either, far from & Brook is certainly going to have his moments.
        He's 33 and had a very prolonged amateur career, almost 40 fights, all those training camps.

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          #14
          christ, i thought the pubs and bars had been closed?! brook is completely shot to ****, looked awful against that D level fighter, snap in punches completely gone, eye sockets have been broke and he cant make the weight safely, he says this himself over and over again then drains himself down for a payday. if he couldnt cope with it a few years ago its going to be even harder now. there is no way team crawford would have picked him if they thought he had anything left. to me 8/1 is too narrow, he has absolutely no chance whatsoever and will be done by the half way point.

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            #15
            Originally posted by dan_cov View Post
            Bigger, better fundamentals, stronger, hits harder, better chin.

            What advantages does Crawford have? Maybe fresher, maybe - he had about 250 or more amateur fights and is no spring chicken himself.
            Tony Weeks - huge advantage.
            Edge in stamina but tbf we've never seen him truly pushed at a pace.

            I don't buy the eye test. I can't for my life see a P4P #1 talent. Just a very good boxer who seems to do just about everything well but nothing great.

            I look at Brook - even if he is past it as presumed. Seconds I need & I can say yh great jab, great distance control, great straight right hand, great timing.
            I can't say that about Crawford. He's just very good, nothing blows me away about him.

            Brooks seen switch-hitters, a Dime a dozen coming out that gym. He's a switch-hitter himself and a better one than Crawford.

            I see holes, a lot of bad habits in particular when he turns southpaw I expect a better fighter to take advantage of.

            He turns southpaw he starts pulling straight back almost everytime he's done throwing.
            He circles anti-clockwise & when pressured he lazily probes with the jab and brings his chin up everytime.
            Brook hooks off the jab superbly & I can see that leaping uppercut working a treat also.

            If I am wrong I will hold my hands up but I'm not buying the hype, odds or mismatch calls. I think Brook gives him absolute hell.
            Good post, here are my thoughts on your thoughts:

            What advantages does Crawford have?

            A five-inch reach advantage

            Maybe fresher, maybe -

            Crawford is no spring chicken, this much is true. However, Bud also hasn't taken the punishment that Brook took in the Golovkin and Spence fights. Also, we don't know how Brook will look back down at 147.

            Don't get me wrong, I do think that Brook will bring it, however I think it would be a mistake for Kell to base his confidence solely on being the "bigger guy". If Brook is able to implement everything you outlined then I too will hold my hands up.

            I just hope that Crawford gets credit for a legit victory in the same way that Brook would get credit for pulling off the upset.

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              #16
              I understand the concerns regarding Brook but I think we have to note how unproven Crawford is. The odd worrying moment hes had he's bounced back and fought through adversity so props but hes not had to against a really good or/& big opponent.

              I have more questions about how Crawford will deal with what Brook does than vice versa.
              How will Crawford deal with that jab? and the strength of Brook. Someone who is ambidextrous.
              Kavalauskas (sp) looks a strong mf but he isn't physically strong. Brook is & for large parts was manhandling a little pitbull in Porter, pushing him & walking him back. Granted Crawford is a better inside fighter than Porter and doesn't smother his own work but to me it was very impressive how he easily dealt with Porters physicality.

              I'm excited for this one.

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                #17
                You see a lot of things but what you don’t see is the things you can’t see. The intangibles my friend. A level and B level fighters look the same until they get into the ring together. You can’t measure everything. The most special and all time greats did nothing perfect. They just had the right combination of good skills, power, chin, and intangibles.

                I hope to God Brook brings it so we can continue to get great fights. This would be a great fight before fighting the Truth. If Brook is shot we will know from about round 3 or 4.
                Last edited by Punch on Tap; 11-13-2020, 03:47 PM.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by dan_cov View Post
                  I understand the concerns regarding Brook but I think we have to note how unproven Crawford is. The odd worrying moment hes had he's bounced back and fought through adversity so props but hes not had to against a really good or/& big opponent.

                  I have more questions about how Crawford will deal with what Brook does than vice versa.
                  How will Crawford deal with that jab? and the strength of Brook. Someone who is ambidextrous.
                  Kavalauskas (sp) looks a strong mf but he isn't physically strong. Brook is & for large parts was manhandling a little pitbull in Porter, pushing him & walking him back. Granted Crawford is a better inside fighter than Porter and doesn't smother his own work but to me it was very impressive how he easily dealt with Porters physicality.

                  I'm excited for this one.
                  I get it, and prior to Brook's eye damage, this fight would have been seen as 50-50 or close to it.

                  I'm excited for the fight too and I hope Kell makes weight safely so he can be at his best.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Madison boxing View Post
                    christ, i thought the pubs and bars had been closed?! brook is completely shot to ****, looked awful against that D level fighter, snap in punches completely gone, eye sockets have been broke and he cant make the weight safely, he says this himself over and over again then drains himself down for a payday. if he couldnt cope with it a few years ago its going to be even harder now. there is no way team crawford would have picked him if they thought he had anything left. to me 8/1 is too narrow, he has absolutely no chance whatsoever and will be done by the half way point.
                    You make some valid points but I'm not seeing the snap gone off his punches at all more he's been fighting really big guys who can take his power better. Some of them wouldn't look out of place at MW.
                    His last opponent wasn't upto much and I did feel Brook looked a bit rusty/disinterested but he knocked him out with a jab. I don't think you're doing that if you lack the snap.

                    I always felt Brook was too big for WW but maybe a little too small for 154 and 150/151 if there was such a thing would be perfect for him.

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                      #20
                      Brook will have brief success early but that will quickly come to an end and he will get stopped. Brook is shot now and it will show

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