Comments Thread For: Hearn: Criticism Of Golovkin For Not Wanting To Fight Canelo Next 'Unfair'

[Senor_frogs]

We both have opinions.

You feel $5.5 million was fair and point to Derevyanchenko not making that much money when he wasn’t fighting Canelo.

I think $5.5 million wasn’t fair because it’s less than every other recent Canelo opponent has made and SD made $5.2 million to fight a boxer who isn’t a cross over super star.

You’re just clearly biased because you hold GGG accountable for “ducking” a fighter he actually fought but won’t hold Canelo accountable for not fighting that same fighter.

I understand that Derevyanchenko isn’t going to get $18 million. But when the IBF calls a 65-35 split and Canelo makes $35 million a fight, the 35% split is $18 million. That, along with having the same offer from GGG created leverage for SD. That’s boxing and that’s business. If Canelo wanted to keep the title, he would have to pay a little more. He didn’t. Apparently he even wanted too but GBP didn’t.

Regardless, you’re going to hold Derevyanchenko accountable for trying to negotiate a better deal when he had all the leverage and the same offer in his pocket from another fighter. But Canelo, the guy who makes $35 million a fight, isn’t held accountable for refusing to split the difference on $1.5 million.

What a f**king fan boy you are.

Buddy the only fanboy here is you. You’re the definition of a fanboy. Again it wasn’t the same offer You do not bring facts to the table you bring feelings. Then you contradict yourself. You say Alvarez ducked the fight because he vacated the title. Which is not true because he was stripped. That’s a fact. You also said he ducked the fight because “HE” didn’t want to pay the extra 1.5mil. Then you contradict yourself by saying this “Canelo wanted to keep the title, he would have to pay a little more. He didn’t. Apparently he even wanted too but GBP didn’t”. Again get you’re feelings in order and then come back to me with some “FACTS” not “FEELINGS!” Shame on you. You biases Fanboy

[Thuglife Nelo]

Buddy the only fanboy here is you. You’re the definition of a fanboy. Again it wasn’t the same offer You do not bring facts to the table you bring feelings. Then you contradict yourself. You say Alvarez ducked the fight because he vacated the title. Which is not true because he was stripped. That’s a fact. You also said he ducked the fight because “HE” didn’t want to pay the extra 1.5mil. Then you contradict yourself by saying this “Canelo wanted to keep the title, he would have to pay a little more. He didn’t. Apparently he even wanted too but GBP didn’t”. Again get you’re feelings in order and then come back to me with some “FACTS” not “FEELINGS!” Shame on you. You biases Fanboy

ShanemosleySr. proves endless debate that star boxers won’t be coerced into purse bids. We’ve been saying this for years, and particularly around Canelo. Now the Canelo haters admit it... lol... to say Devry “deserved” more than what was offered because of a sanctioning rule that the promoters exploit.

OF COURSE PROMOTERS would love a purse bid rule because it wasn’t founded on the context of huge draws and stars. A perfect example was Teixeira vs Castaño negotiations and headlines saying going to purse bid if... it all makes sense in these situations because they’re not American draws nor proven PPV stars and no one wants to hear about such fighters complain about splits. That’s why the rule is there.

Only Canelo haters think Saul Alvarez is going to give a non American attraction who is an Eastern Euro fighter more than what they deserve.. “but but purse bids say this doe....”

If it’s a star player from GBP Haymon plays the fool. That’s why industry hates him because he imposed his advisory ego in not making fights to benefit who? The fighter or himself?

Haymon’s racist ass rather put in expendable Ruiz Jr. than to give Hearn his Wilder.

All the karma comes to bite.

[PoserExposer]

Woulda coulda shoulda but HE relinquished his belt so that’s squarely on him, end of duck story. Both Cotto and CLENelo avoided the old fphuck when he was their WBC mandatory but nice try spinning that fact. Those are prima donnas alright. What happened to the old fphuck needing to win a belt again before the trilogy yet he refused to make the trilogy sooner? Suddenly when the IBF mandates he fight HIS mandatory, now Canelo wants to fight him? You have an out for Canelo dumping his WBC belt but the old fphuck shouldn’t honor his mandatory? One minute he’s not deserving of a trilogy, “there’s nothing left to prove” despite going tooth and nail with him for 24 rounds and suddenly it’s a must happen fight for Canelo? FOH with your woulda coulda nonsense....And I like your complete utter silence on the “KTFO” statement. Don’t bother defending that either...

And now GGG is fighting a literal nobody because Canelo wouldnt bend to GGGs prima Donna demands

[UNBANNED]

Woulda coulda shoulda but HE relinquished his belt so that’s squarely on him, end of duck story. Both Cotto and CLENelo avoided the old fphuck when he was their WBC mandatory but nice try spinning that fact. Those are prima donnas alright. What happened to the old fphuck needing to win a belt again before the trilogy yet he refused to make the trilogy sooner? Suddenly when the IBF mandates he fight HIS mandatory, now Canelo wants to fight him? You have an out for Canelo dumping his WBC belt but the old fphuck shouldn’t honor his mandatory? One minute he’s not deserving of a trilogy, “there’s nothing left to prove” despite going tooth and nail with him for 24 rounds and suddenly it’s a must happen fight for Canelo? FOH with your woulda coulda nonsense....And I like your complete utter silence on the “KTFO” statement. Don’t bother defending that either...

It doesn't matter what actually happened because you're not interested in the truth. You just want to be right and, perhaps more importantly, want Canelo to be wrong. It's the definition of a hater :-/

Neither the first GGG nor the fourth GGG negotiations were successful. First negotiations couldn't agree on weight and it probably didn't help that WBC put a 15 day deadline on those negotiations...literally never heard of that EVER before or since. 2nd and 3rd negotiations produced 1st and 2nd fight.

The 4th negotiations was essentially GGG demanding a 3rd fight but he wanted to pick judges and ref, Canelos gloves, and the venue...all those demands...as the LOSER.

Instead Canelo fought a career LHW who was 35-2-1 with a 75% KO ratio and was coming off back to back wins over undefeated opponents with his most recent win a KO. Canelo moved up 2 weight classes to face that guy instead of GGG. That was a GOOD move as GGG ruined the hype of a 3RD fight by fighting some BUM instead of a top contender in Rolls.

When GGG finally did return to a meaningful fight he lost to Dervenchenko. Again that killed a ton of interest for Canelo and now GGG is fixated on yet another bum. And some so called "boxing fans" defend this.

Yall ***** supporters are all the same. World waiting for yall to breathe your last breath. Maybe try *****s chlorox treatment ???

XD XD XD XD

[JohnCastellanos]

clearly reading isn't your strong suit. I clearly said, fulfill his contract and make the biggest fights available. Canelo vs Ggg is the biggest money fight available and has been since the rematch. Do you think they paid Canelo all that money to fk around with the Rocky fieldings and Bill Joe Saunders of the world? Get a fkn clue dummy. You also sound ****** saying Canelo isn't interested, because clearly Canelo wants the ggg fight now. He didn't a year ago but after seeing how bad GGG looked vs derveyenchenko, maybe he feels a little more confident in his ability to actually get a true win this time. Then you canelotards can finally celebrate him getting a real win over the old man instead of pretending he deserved a win that he didn't.

Clearly you are lost! As far as the Fielding fight it was his first fight with DAZN and 3 months away from his ggg fight and its public knowledge that he was paid about 11 million for that fight. Bad example! BJS is a good fight and at this point adding another undefeated 2 weight champ to his resume is more important than beating ggg for third time. As far as the ggg thing he was offered a bump to the 35 million because why should he take his regular pay when it’s common knowledge that gggs whole contract was dependent on this fight alone? In other words if ggg was able to negotiate 100 million for one good fight, why shouldn’t Canelo be able to make at least 50 million for a fight that was never in his contract? The only problem now is “everyone’s favorite coward” is feeling jealous that Canelo was able to get extra money so he’s gonna do everything in his power to have that fight under his conditions

[JohnCastellanos]

Woulda coulda shoulda but HE relinquished his belt so that’s squarely on him, end of duck story. Both Cotto and CLENelo avoided the old fphuck when he was their WBC mandatory but nice try spinning that fact. Those are prima donnas alright. What happened to the old fphuck needing to win a belt again before the trilogy yet he refused to make the trilogy sooner? Suddenly when the IBF mandates he fight HIS mandatory, now Canelo wants to fight him? You have an out for Canelo dumping his WBC belt but the old fphuck shouldn’t honor his mandatory? One minute he’s not deserving of a trilogy, “there’s nothing left to prove” despite going tooth and nail with him for 24 rounds and suddenly it’s a must happen fight for Canelo? FOH with your woulda coulda nonsense....And I like your complete utter silence on the “KTFO” statement. Don’t bother defending that either...

How does that make any fiking sense you just beat the actual champ for the IBF belt now you got to beat the guy who got beat by the champ you just beat? And on top of that if you don’t pay DC exactly the Amt. they want you gets stripped? *** dat belt! If DJ would’ve beat Nelo was a rematch with DC a mandatory fight? IBF makes no sense, they’re playing favorites to these Eastern Europeans

[ShaneMosleySr]

SD just decided not to let Canelo f**k him.

Shane just stop insulting your own intelligence and accept the fact that DC basically accepted a less lucrative fight vs the beatable oponnent. The Canelo fight was just too dangerous!

[ShaneMosleySr]

It wasn’t the same offer, it was 95% of the offer to fight someone who isn’t a crossover superstar. The GGG offer made it clear that Canelo’s offer was awful.

Vacating the title to avoid a mandatory and being stripped for not fighting a mandatory is the same thing.

I interchangeably use Canelo and Canelo’s team. Canelo’s team didn’t come to a middle ground and Canelo was furious when he found out. I will gladly provide the links if you want. You’re pretending like GBP did everything right and Canelo doesn’t even feel that way.

Who am I a fan boy of? Because we all know who you’re a fan boy of.

Buddy the only fanboy here is you. You’re the definition of a fanboy. Again it wasn’t the same offer You do not bring facts to the table you bring feelings. Then you contradict yourself. You say Alvarez ducked the fight because he vacated the title. Which is not true because he was stripped. That’s a fact. You also said he ducked the fight because “HE” didn’t want to pay the extra 1.5mil. Then you contradict yourself by saying this “Canelo wanted to keep the title, he would have to pay a little more. He didn’t. Apparently he even wanted too but GBP didn’t”. Again get you’re feelings in order and then come back to me with some “FACTS” not “FEELINGS!” Shame on you. You biases Fanboy

[ShaneMosleySr]

I never said star boxers will be coerced into purse bids. I pointed out that the purse bid gave Derevyanchenko leverage, which it did.

ShanemosleySr. proves endless debate that star boxers won’t be coerced into purse bids. We’ve been saying this for years, and particularly around Canelo. Now the Canelo haters admit it... lol... to say Devry “deserved” more than what was offered because of a sanctioning rule that the promoters exploit.

OF COURSE PROMOTERS would love a purse bid rule because it wasn’t founded on the context of huge draws and stars. A perfect example was Teixeira vs Castaño negotiations and headlines saying going to purse bid if... it all makes sense in these situations because they’re not American draws nor proven PPV stars and no one wants to hear about such fighters complain about splits. That’s why the rule is there.

Only Canelo haters think Saul Alvarez is going to give a non American attraction who is an Eastern Euro fighter more than what they deserve.. “but but purse bids say this doe....”

If it’s a star player from GBP Haymon plays the fool. That’s why industry hates him because he imposed his advisory ego in not making fights to benefit who? The fighter or himself?

Haymon’s racist ass rather put in expendable Ruiz Jr. than to give Hearn his Wilder.

All the karma comes to bite.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I never said star boxers will be coerced into purse bids. I pointed out that the purse bid gave Derevyanchenko leverage, which it did.

You don't understand... read it carefully. I said your comments PROVE why WE on the forum know the nature of purse bids, particularly when comparing stars to the bottom feeders. Bottom feeders meaning matches that have no dramatical negotiations regardings A side vs B side.

Let's take your avatar for example, back when Bowe vs Lewis came about, what were the industry narratives from writers or the fighters themselves talking about splits? Fan forums didn't exist back then... Bowe vs Lewis isn't even remotely close to Canelo vs Derevyanchenko as far as fans understanding purse splits.

You can act naive, but you know Haymon pulls the strings regarding splits. With GBP, Haymon has no power, so he prefers to price himself out for the benefit of his ego, not the best interest of the boxer. Sergey could've taken the cash and ATTEMPTED to beat Canelo. The fact that we are arguing a difference from the Canelo purse to a GGG purse is ******... Just like Haymon knowing the WBC would mandate a Canelo vs Charlo fight, don't you think it's rather practical for Haymon to simply milk out and waste time with GBP?

GBP wouldn't bother with that. Instead the WBC, knowing that GBP would vacate a title instead of going to purse bid with Al Haymon, decided to keep itself branded around Canelo and gave him Franchise Champ. It's rather obvious.